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>But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. So according to you all points of view and agenda

>But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. So according to you all points of view and agenda should be tolerated just because the line is blurry? In practice the line has to be drawn somewhere. No other politicians I can think of in a Western Democracy actively and explicitly encourages hatred, racism, sexism and violence in the same way Donald Trump does. Let me be clear, I do believe in everyone's right to first amendment. They should be able to exercise free speech without fear of government prosecution (as long as it doesn't violate Federal laws governing Hate Speeches). But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.

stale2002 10y ago
You are wrong about the law. "But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers." This is illegal. Highly illegal.
- Cookingboy 10y ago
  Nope, not illegal at all. It's completely ok to fire someone over outrageous or offensive remarks or hate speech. Billy Bush was literally just fired by NBC over the Trump tape. You can definitely be fired for openly promoting racism, sexism or violence, those are not protected by US labor laws. First Amendment does not protect against private party actions either, they only ensure that the government cannot prosecute you.
  - stale2002 10y ago
    Oregon http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectname=mcl-168-931 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/... California The California Labor Code prohibits any employer policy: (1) limiting workers' participation in politics; (2) barring employees from becoming candidates for public office; (3) requiring workers to adhere to any particular political action/activity; or (4) "controlling or directing ... political activities or affiliations of employees." California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." Given the apparent statutory/regulatory breadth of "political activity," California employers must be particularly careful in drafting policies. For further information, contact Holland & Knight lawyers Linda Illinois An employer is not permitted to maintain a record of employees’ off-the-job political activities. 820 Ill. Comp. Stat. §40/9. For further information, contact Holland & Knight attorney Louisiana State law expressly prohibits any employer policy which forbids or prevents employees from "engaging or participating in politics" or from becoming a candidate, and any policy that "controls or directs [employees'] political activities." Employers also are prohibited from threatening to discharge employees who "support or become affiliated with any particular political fashion or organization, or participate in political activities of any nature or character." Significantly, Louisiana law permits imprisonment for violations! Massachusetts Employers are prohibited from attempting to influence an employee to give or withhold an employee's vote or an employee's political contribution. Employers are also prohibited from taking an adverse employment action against an employee — or rewarding an employee through higher wages or favorable employment terms — because of the giving or withholding of a vote or a political contribution New Jersey State law prohibits employers from attempting to influence employees to vote or to not vote or to vote/not vote for any particular candidate, and from requiring workers to attend an employer-sponsored meeting or communicating about the employer's opinions about political matters (including party affiliations). And more!!! https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...
    - flukus 10y ago
      > California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." So no one can be fired for saying something on facebook? Go California, I hope everyone catches up.
    - Cookingboy 10y ago
      >limiting workers' participation in politics; Yes, you can't be fired for voting Republican. But you can absolutely be fired for inciting hatred and violence against minority or women. Being a Trump support goes beyond a mere political stance.

stale2002 10y ago

You are wrong about the law. "But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers." This is illegal. Highly illegal.

Cookingboy 10y ago
Nope, not illegal at all. It's completely ok to fire someone over outrageous or offensive remarks or hate speech. Billy Bush was literally just fired by NBC over the Trump tape. You can definitely be fired for openly promoting racism, sexism or violence, those are not protected by US labor laws. First Amendment does not protect against private party actions either, they only ensure that the government cannot prosecute you.
- stale2002 10y ago
  Oregon http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectname=mcl-168-931 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/... California The California Labor Code prohibits any employer policy: (1) limiting workers' participation in politics; (2) barring employees from becoming candidates for public office; (3) requiring workers to adhere to any particular political action/activity; or (4) "controlling or directing ... political activities or affiliations of employees." California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." Given the apparent statutory/regulatory breadth of "political activity," California employers must be particularly careful in drafting policies. For further information, contact Holland & Knight lawyers Linda Illinois An employer is not permitted to maintain a record of employees’ off-the-job political activities. 820 Ill. Comp. Stat. §40/9. For further information, contact Holland & Knight attorney Louisiana State law expressly prohibits any employer policy which forbids or prevents employees from "engaging or participating in politics" or from becoming a candidate, and any policy that "controls or directs [employees'] political activities." Employers also are prohibited from threatening to discharge employees who "support or become affiliated with any particular political fashion or organization, or participate in political activities of any nature or character." Significantly, Louisiana law permits imprisonment for violations! Massachusetts Employers are prohibited from attempting to influence an employee to give or withhold an employee's vote or an employee's political contribution. Employers are also prohibited from taking an adverse employment action against an employee — or rewarding an employee through higher wages or favorable employment terms — because of the giving or withholding of a vote or a political contribution New Jersey State law prohibits employers from attempting to influence employees to vote or to not vote or to vote/not vote for any particular candidate, and from requiring workers to attend an employer-sponsored meeting or communicating about the employer's opinions about political matters (including party affiliations). And more!!! https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...
  - flukus 10y ago
    > California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." So no one can be fired for saying something on facebook? Go California, I hope everyone catches up.
  - Cookingboy 10y ago
    >limiting workers' participation in politics; Yes, you can't be fired for voting Republican. But you can absolutely be fired for inciting hatred and violence against minority or women. Being a Trump support goes beyond a mere political stance.