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Supporting Donald Trump isn't just a straight up political point of view, it shows that you are at least tolerant of some of the most horrible values he has exh

Supporting Donald Trump isn't just a straight up political point of view, it shows that you are at least tolerant of some of the most horrible values he has exhibited during this election. They include promotion of sexism and racism and downright violent behavior toward minority and people with different religions. If I were your employer, I would definitely consider firing you because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia and political violence. It's the same reason I would fire any employee who are openly in support of KKK or Nazi. Some people may argue that they disagree with Donald Trump on those things but support his policies. That's like saying it's ok for me to support Hitler because his economic recovery plan for Germany is sound, but I just disagree with the whole genocide business. EDIT: I do believe in the First Amendment. As long as they don't violate Federal laws regarding hate speech to incite violence, Mr.Trump and his supporters should be allowed to exercise their free speech without fear of government prosecution. However I am also for the right of any private party to distance and disassociate themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.

maxsilver 10y ago
> If I were your employer, I would definitely consider firing you because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia and political violence. But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. You could just as easily say, "I would definitely consider firing you for being pro-choice, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of murder". or "I would consider firing you for being Christian, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of discrimination, judgement, and torture."
- selestify 10y ago
  Being Christian does not imply being tolerant of tolerant of discrimination, judgement, and torture. Being a Trump supporter does mean giving support to Trump and all he stands for.
  - Cookingboy 10y ago
    >Being a Trump supporter does mean giving support to Trump and all he stands for It means at least you put other things at higher priority than discrimination, torture, and promotion of violence and hatred and you are willing to at least ignore those. In my eyes, that's simply not acceptable. We aren't talking about economical policies or debate on tax laws here, we are talking about basic human decency.
    - ElEmEnOhP 10y ago
      How is that any different than Clinton? She's talked about 'droning' people who oppose her viewpoints.
      - Cookingboy 10y ago
        Please show me verified proof where she publicly threatened violence or jail time or like you claimed, drone strike against her political opponents (they definitely oppose her viewpoints).
        alain_gilbert 10y ago
        https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=can%27t+we+just+drone+this+guy https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...
    - s_m_t 10y ago
      But being the secretary of state of the administration that assassinates US citizens without trial (including a 16 year old US citizen) and laughing on television about a world leader being killed and sodomized with knives by a mob on television is acceptable? We are all complicit in this madness. You should fire everyone and then fire yourself.
      - Cookingboy 10y ago
        Clinton did not order nor promote sodomizing a "world leader" (a brutal dictator, you made it sound like he's an elected leader from a democracy or something). The killing of the U.S. national without trial was done due to such individual's action. There was no condemnation of violence toward a large group of people due to racism or sexism. The world is obviously not perfect, but you can't use that as the basis of argument for "everything and everyone is just as bad as each other and things cannot possibly be worse".
- Cookingboy 10y ago
  >But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. So according to you all points of view and agenda should be tolerated just because the line is blurry? In practice the line has to be drawn somewhere. No other politicians I can think of in a Western Democracy actively and explicitly encourages hatred, racism, sexism and violence in the same way Donald Trump does. Let me be clear, I do believe in everyone's right to first amendment. They should be able to exercise free speech without fear of government prosecution (as long as it doesn't violate Federal laws governing Hate Speeches). But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.
  - stale2002 10y ago
    You are wrong about the law. "But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers." This is illegal. Highly illegal.
    - Cookingboy 10y ago
      Nope, not illegal at all. It's completely ok to fire someone over outrageous or offensive remarks or hate speech. Billy Bush was literally just fired by NBC over the Trump tape. You can definitely be fired for openly promoting racism, sexism or violence, those are not protected by US labor laws. First Amendment does not protect against private party actions either, they only ensure that the government cannot prosecute you.
      - stale2002 10y ago
        Oregon http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectname=mcl-168-931 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/... California The California Labor Code prohibits any employer policy: (1) limiting workers' participation in politics; (2) barring employees from becoming candidates for public office; (3) requiring workers to adhere to any particular political action/activity; or (4) "controlling or directing ... political activities or affiliations of employees." California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." Given the apparent statutory/regulatory breadth of "political activity," California employers must be particularly careful in drafting policies. For further information, contact Holland & Knight lawyers Linda Illinois An employer is not permitted to maintain a record of employees’ off-the-job political activities. 820 Ill. Comp. Stat. §40/9. For further information, contact Holland & Knight attorney Louisiana State law expressly prohibits any employer policy which forbids or prevents employees from "engaging or participating in politics" or from becoming a candidate, and any policy that "controls or directs [employees'] political activities." Employers also are prohibited from threatening to discharge employees who "support or become affiliated with any particular political fashion or organization, or participate in political activities of any nature or character." Significantly, Louisiana law permits imprisonment for violations! Massachusetts Employers are prohibited from attempting to influence an employee to give or withhold an employee's vote or an employee's political contribution. Employers are also prohibited from taking an adverse employment action against an employee — or rewarding an employee through higher wages or favorable employment terms — because of the giving or withholding of a vote or a political contribution New Jersey State law prohibits employers from attempting to influence employees to vote or to not vote or to vote/not vote for any particular candidate, and from requiring workers to attend an employer-sponsored meeting or communicating about the employer's opinions about political matters (including party affiliations). And more!!! https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...
flukus 10y ago
Congratulations you're an intolerant person.
bruceb 10y ago
Under this rationale if the head of your company is anti-choice and finds out you are voting for Hillary Clinton he/she could say I am firing you because you tolerate the genocide of children. Plenty of things to knock Trump on but any comparison to Hitler is nonsensical.
- krapp 10y ago
  >Plenty of things to knock Trump on but any comparison to Hitler is nonsensical. True. But then, after eight years of listening to my Republican friends compare Obama to Hitler and young black voters to the new Hitler Youth, maybe the jackboot deserves to be on the other foot for a while. I mean, unless Hillary wins, then she gets to be Hitler.
kapitza 10y ago
Here's what our current VP said in 1979, in a secret conversation with a Soviet official: > Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] Biden and [Senator Richard] Lugar said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . . In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents. http://www.city-journal.org/html/hidden-history-evil-13281.html http://www.city-journal.org/html/hidden-history-evil-13281.h... So a vote for Obama-Biden was a vote for someone who secretly collaborated with the KGB in repressing dissidents. Sounds like cause for firing to me. Granted, the KGB no longer exists. But do the Nazis? The KKK? The good news: in the future, robots will do all the jobs. We can all fire each other for our historical and political sins, and spend our time worrying about the KGB, the Nazis and the KKK, while our Roombas peel grapes for us.
- eveningcoffee 10y ago
  Mere name change does not make something to disappear. You are very dangerously mistaken to think that one of the listed has ceased to exists.
Frondo 10y ago
The way I see it, if someone wants to be tolerant of racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever, well, ok, they're a spineless milquetoast maybe, but ok. I can deal. The trump supporters I know don't just tolerate his racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever, they endorse and agree with it. That's where I draw the line in terms of things I am OK with. I don't want to live in a world with racism, sexism, whatever. I will gladly apply whatever pressure I have (mostly social, right now, maybe some day economic, but you know) to discourage people with those views from promoting them, in the hopes that eventually those views fade away. (I don't even view that as a particularly brave act, by the way, to stand up and say "racism does not belong in the world and you need to stop"--I kinda view it as the bare minimum of what it means to be a decent person.)
stale2002 10y ago
If you fired someone for supporting the Republican Party, you would go to jail. Political discrimination has been proven illegal by the courts, and you would be absolutely wrong in the situation that you gave.

maxsilver 10y ago

> If I were your employer, I would definitely consider firing you because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of racism, sexism, xenophobia, homophobia and political violence. But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. You could just as easily say, "I would definitely consider firing you for being pro-choice, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of murder". or "I would consider firing you for being Christian, because I do not believe my company should employ people who are tolerant of discrimination, judgement, and torture."

selestify 10y ago
Being Christian does not imply being tolerant of tolerant of discrimination, judgement, and torture. Being a Trump supporter does mean giving support to Trump and all he stands for.
- Cookingboy 10y ago
  >Being a Trump supporter does mean giving support to Trump and all he stands for It means at least you put other things at higher priority than discrimination, torture, and promotion of violence and hatred and you are willing to at least ignore those. In my eyes, that's simply not acceptable. We aren't talking about economical policies or debate on tax laws here, we are talking about basic human decency.
  - ElEmEnOhP 10y ago
    How is that any different than Clinton? She's talked about 'droning' people who oppose her viewpoints.
    - Cookingboy 10y ago
      Please show me verified proof where she publicly threatened violence or jail time or like you claimed, drone strike against her political opponents (they definitely oppose her viewpoints).
      - alain_gilbert 10y ago
        https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=can%27t+we+just+drone+this+guy https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&e...
  - s_m_t 10y ago
    But being the secretary of state of the administration that assassinates US citizens without trial (including a 16 year old US citizen) and laughing on television about a world leader being killed and sodomized with knives by a mob on television is acceptable? We are all complicit in this madness. You should fire everyone and then fire yourself.
    - Cookingboy 10y ago
      Clinton did not order nor promote sodomizing a "world leader" (a brutal dictator, you made it sound like he's an elected leader from a democracy or something). The killing of the U.S. national without trial was done due to such individual's action. There was no condemnation of violence toward a large group of people due to racism or sexism. The world is obviously not perfect, but you can't use that as the basis of argument for "everything and everyone is just as bad as each other and things cannot possibly be worse".
Cookingboy 10y ago
>But where does that end? You could use that against line of reasoning against literally any political topic. So according to you all points of view and agenda should be tolerated just because the line is blurry? In practice the line has to be drawn somewhere. No other politicians I can think of in a Western Democracy actively and explicitly encourages hatred, racism, sexism and violence in the same way Donald Trump does. Let me be clear, I do believe in everyone's right to first amendment. They should be able to exercise free speech without fear of government prosecution (as long as it doesn't violate Federal laws governing Hate Speeches). But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers.
- stale2002 10y ago
  You are wrong about the law. "But I also believe in any private party's right to completely disassociate and distance themselves from Mr.Trump and his supporters, including their employers." This is illegal. Highly illegal.
  - Cookingboy 10y ago
    Nope, not illegal at all. It's completely ok to fire someone over outrageous or offensive remarks or hate speech. Billy Bush was literally just fired by NBC over the Trump tape. You can definitely be fired for openly promoting racism, sexism or violence, those are not protected by US labor laws. First Amendment does not protect against private party actions either, they only ensure that the government cannot prosecute you.
    - stale2002 10y ago
      Oregon http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/260.665 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectname=mcl-168-931 http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(mcducknbaos0ah55x204uumg))/... California The California Labor Code prohibits any employer policy: (1) limiting workers' participation in politics; (2) barring employees from becoming candidates for public office; (3) requiring workers to adhere to any particular political action/activity; or (4) "controlling or directing ... political activities or affiliations of employees." California law also prohibits adverse action against employees because of "lawful conduct occurring during nonworking hours away from the employer's premises." Given the apparent statutory/regulatory breadth of "political activity," California employers must be particularly careful in drafting policies. For further information, contact Holland & Knight lawyers Linda Illinois An employer is not permitted to maintain a record of employees’ off-the-job political activities. 820 Ill. Comp. Stat. §40/9. For further information, contact Holland & Knight attorney Louisiana State law expressly prohibits any employer policy which forbids or prevents employees from "engaging or participating in politics" or from becoming a candidate, and any policy that "controls or directs [employees'] political activities." Employers also are prohibited from threatening to discharge employees who "support or become affiliated with any particular political fashion or organization, or participate in political activities of any nature or character." Significantly, Louisiana law permits imprisonment for violations! Massachusetts Employers are prohibited from attempting to influence an employee to give or withhold an employee's vote or an employee's political contribution. Employers are also prohibited from taking an adverse employment action against an employee — or rewarding an employee through higher wages or favorable employment terms — because of the giving or withholding of a vote or a political contribution New Jersey State law prohibits employers from attempting to influence employees to vote or to not vote or to vote/not vote for any particular candidate, and from requiring workers to attend an employer-sponsored meeting or communicating about the employer's opinions about political matters (including party affiliations). And more!!! https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Politics-in-the-Workplace-10-01-2011/ https://www.hklaw.com/publications/Hey-Take-It-Outside-Polit...

flukus 10y ago

Congratulations you're an intolerant person.

bruceb 10y ago

Under this rationale if the head of your company is anti-choice and finds out you are voting for Hillary Clinton he/she could say I am firing you because you tolerate the genocide of children. Plenty of things to knock Trump on but any comparison to Hitler is nonsensical.

krapp 10y ago
>Plenty of things to knock Trump on but any comparison to Hitler is nonsensical. True. But then, after eight years of listening to my Republican friends compare Obama to Hitler and young black voters to the new Hitler Youth, maybe the jackboot deserves to be on the other foot for a while. I mean, unless Hillary wins, then she gets to be Hitler.

kapitza 10y ago

Here's what our current VP said in 1979, in a secret conversation with a Soviet official: > Unofficially, [Senator Joseph] Biden and [Senator Richard] Lugar said that, in the end of the day, they were not so much concerned with having a problem of this or that citizen solved as with showing to the American public that they do care for “human rights.” . . . In other words, the collocutors directly admitted that what is happening is a kind of a show, that they absolutely do not care for the fate of most so-called dissidents. http://www.city-journal.org/html/hidden-history-evil-13281.html http://www.city-journal.org/html/hidden-history-evil-13281.h... So a vote for Obama-Biden was a vote for someone who secretly collaborated with the KGB in repressing dissidents. Sounds like cause for firing to me. Granted, the KGB no longer exists. But do the Nazis? The KKK? The good news: in the future, robots will do all the jobs. We can all fire each other for our historical and political sins, and spend our time worrying about the KGB, the Nazis and the KKK, while our Roombas peel grapes for us.

eveningcoffee 10y ago
Mere name change does not make something to disappear. You are very dangerously mistaken to think that one of the listed has ceased to exists.

Frondo 10y ago

The way I see it, if someone wants to be tolerant of racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever, well, ok, they're a spineless milquetoast maybe, but ok. I can deal. The trump supporters I know don't just tolerate his racism, sexism, homophobia, whatever, they endorse and agree with it. That's where I draw the line in terms of things I am OK with. I don't want to live in a world with racism, sexism, whatever. I will gladly apply whatever pressure I have (mostly social, right now, maybe some day economic, but you know) to discourage people with those views from promoting them, in the hopes that eventually those views fade away. (I don't even view that as a particularly brave act, by the way, to stand up and say "racism does not belong in the world and you need to stop"--I kinda view it as the bare minimum of what it means to be a decent person.)

stale2002 10y ago

If you fired someone for supporting the Republican Party, you would go to jail. Political discrimination has been proven illegal by the courts, and you would be absolutely wrong in the situation that you gave.