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I think that's a fair point. Our republic, much like many historical republics including (crossing immediately the Godwin line) the Weimar Republic, are ferven

I think that's a fair point. Our republic, much like many historical republics including (crossing immediately the Godwin line) the Weimar Republic, are fervently nationalistic and willing - through fear, state disinformation, and through prejudice - to support cases against liberty in support of centralized autonomous power. While the youth population of America either broadly support Snowden or are deadlocked (depending on the poll), the more religious and jingoistic elements of the American public and those whose generations participated in World and Cold wars have been easy to convince that civil liberty is something cheap to trade for consolidated power.

dogma1138 10y ago
There is a difference between supporting the position and supporting the act. I would go as far as say that the majority of "young" (18-35) Americans would call for a trial rather than a blanket pardon.
- jwtadvice 10y ago
  Pew Studies seem to indicate the opposite of what you've said: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/22/most-young-americans-say-snowden-has-served-the-public-interest/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/22/most-young-a...
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    That doesn't mean the majority will support blanket pardon over a trial, especially a trial like the one Snowden requested where he could mount a defence based on the public's interest which is not possible for espionage charges. In fact by your own poll it looks that the majority of 18-35's would favour criminal persecution since the 18-29 is 42 for 42 against and 30-49 is 56 for 36 against.
    - jwtadvice 10y ago
      I see. Yes I think that's right. I think more 'young' people would want to see a fair and open public trial than a blank pardon. It's my impression that more 'young' people would want to see a blanket pardon over a secret trial where a defense can't be mounted.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        Myself personally (not an American) would favour trial (of any kind) over a blanket pardon, however I will support a full pardon or full commute of the sentence in case he is found guilty by a trial in which he could not mount a proper defence due to the espionage act limitations, if it would be a closed trial or if it would be a military tribunal instead of a trial by jury.

dogma1138 10y ago

There is a difference between supporting the position and supporting the act. I would go as far as say that the majority of "young" (18-35) Americans would call for a trial rather than a blanket pardon.

jwtadvice 10y ago
Pew Studies seem to indicate the opposite of what you've said: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/22/most-young-americans-say-snowden-has-served-the-public-interest/ http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2014/01/22/most-young-a...
- dogma1138 10y ago
  That doesn't mean the majority will support blanket pardon over a trial, especially a trial like the one Snowden requested where he could mount a defence based on the public's interest which is not possible for espionage charges. In fact by your own poll it looks that the majority of 18-35's would favour criminal persecution since the 18-29 is 42 for 42 against and 30-49 is 56 for 36 against.
  - jwtadvice 10y ago
    I see. Yes I think that's right. I think more 'young' people would want to see a fair and open public trial than a blank pardon. It's my impression that more 'young' people would want to see a blanket pardon over a secret trial where a defense can't be mounted.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      Myself personally (not an American) would favour trial (of any kind) over a blanket pardon, however I will support a full pardon or full commute of the sentence in case he is found guilty by a trial in which he could not mount a proper defence due to the espionage act limitations, if it would be a closed trial or if it would be a military tribunal instead of a trial by jury.