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> Hopefully the resulting 4 years are so terrible that voters never tolerate a candidate like Trump or Clinton again. Accelerationism is irresponsible, and the

> Hopefully the resulting 4 years are so terrible that voters never tolerate a candidate like Trump or Clinton again. Accelerationism is irresponsible, and the human harm it will cause is irreparable.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
> Accelerationism is irresponsible, and the human harm it will cause is irreparable. Prove the harm. The ACA is structurally unsound and failing. Clinton only recently has changed her immigration stance in order to woo the hispanic vote (Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants). What harm is Trump going to do? Supreme court nominees neither candidate will be able to get through an obstructionist Congress? If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption (Bernie Sanders would've been a far better candidate for Democrats to run, but as the leaked DNC emails show, "the party has selected their nominee"). Voters did not, and this is the result. EDIT: To those who have replied, HN throttling limits on my account have kicked in. You have yet to show Trump has the executive power to enact anything he's said he will do. He doesn't, which is why I am not concerned.
- teraflop 10y ago
  > What harm is Trump going to do? I would have hoped this would be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention, but allow me to list a few examples: The fact that the Republican nominee has both admitted to, and been accused of, repeated sexual harassment and assault is already fostering a climate where such behavior is legitimized and excused. That's already bad; the endorsement associated with electing him as President would be dramatically worse. Trump has demonstrated very poor impulse control in terms of his campaign's communications, and his public statements indicate that he would continue that behavior if made president. He said that he would sink Iranian ships if he considers their behavior insulting. That makes me very nervous about the potential for future US instigation of, and participation in, armed conflicts. Trump is disdainful of the idea that police violence against minorities is of any particular concern -- or at least, the idea that the behavior of police officers and departments is in any way part of the problem -- and is unlikely to take any action whatsoever to curb it. Do you not believe that these kinds of harm are likely to result from a Trump presidency, or do you just not care? > If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption. Maybe I'm just not understanding your point, but I have no idea how the DNC's behavior has any causal or evidential relationship to a preference between Clinton and Trump.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    > Do you not believe that these kinds of harm are likely to result from a Trump presidency, or do you just not care? No, I do not believe it will cause an actual harm delta compared to military engagements Clinton would partake in. Trump would have no control over police policies across the US. If the President could curb such behavior, would you not expect Obama would have enacted such policies over his 8 years in office? Clean Power Plan Obama enacted and now challenged by the Supreme Court? Useless. Coal plants are being deprecated regardless due to renewables and natural gas. How Trump carries himself as a president is simply noise compared to real issues. The President has far less power than people who want to scare you into voting for Clinton would lead you to believe.
- ryanisnan 10y ago
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- kn0where 10y ago
  > If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption (Bernie Sanders would've been a far better candidate for Democrats to run). Let's be real. Yes, DNC absolutely wanted Clinton to win, not Sanders, and helped Clinton while hurting Sanders. But ultimately, the voters chose Hillary, not Bernie, by large margins [1], so even without the DNC's bias I find it highly unlikely Sanders could have won. [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-prima...
- travmatt 10y ago
  My favorite Trump-isms: 1) suggesting that America needs to threaten to default on its debts - I can imagine the recession that would ensue. 2) his idea that we need to give more unstable nations nuclear weapons and tell them to 'have fun' - hopefully everyone understands the harms of nuclear wars 3) his idea that we need to kill the innocent family members of terrorists - I doubt this will improve our war on terror 4) his idea that we need to forcibly round up and deport 11 million illegal immigrants - this crowning achievement would be the largest forced migration in human history 5) his idea that we need to punish women who have abortions
  - tzs 10y ago
    • Global warming is a hoax. The planet is actually freezing. • Doctors and vaccinations cause autism. References here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-comments-on-science-are-shockingly-ignorant/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-comments-on...
- tzs 10y ago
  > Supreme court nominees neither candidate will be able to get through an obstructionist Congress? FiveThirtyEight gives a 75% chance of Democrats winning control of the Senate. If that comes to pass, Clinton will be able to get nominees through through.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

> Accelerationism is irresponsible, and the human harm it will cause is irreparable. Prove the harm. The ACA is structurally unsound and failing. Clinton only recently has changed her immigration stance in order to woo the hispanic vote (Obama deported a record number of illegal immigrants). What harm is Trump going to do? Supreme court nominees neither candidate will be able to get through an obstructionist Congress? If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption (Bernie Sanders would've been a far better candidate for Democrats to run, but as the leaked DNC emails show, "the party has selected their nominee"). Voters did not, and this is the result. EDIT: To those who have replied, HN throttling limits on my account have kicked in. You have yet to show Trump has the executive power to enact anything he's said he will do. He doesn't, which is why I am not concerned.

teraflop 10y ago
> What harm is Trump going to do? I would have hoped this would be obvious to anyone who's been paying attention, but allow me to list a few examples: The fact that the Republican nominee has both admitted to, and been accused of, repeated sexual harassment and assault is already fostering a climate where such behavior is legitimized and excused. That's already bad; the endorsement associated with electing him as President would be dramatically worse. Trump has demonstrated very poor impulse control in terms of his campaign's communications, and his public statements indicate that he would continue that behavior if made president. He said that he would sink Iranian ships if he considers their behavior insulting. That makes me very nervous about the potential for future US instigation of, and participation in, armed conflicts. Trump is disdainful of the idea that police violence against minorities is of any particular concern -- or at least, the idea that the behavior of police officers and departments is in any way part of the problem -- and is unlikely to take any action whatsoever to curb it. Do you not believe that these kinds of harm are likely to result from a Trump presidency, or do you just not care? > If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption. Maybe I'm just not understanding your point, but I have no idea how the DNC's behavior has any causal or evidential relationship to a preference between Clinton and Trump.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > Do you not believe that these kinds of harm are likely to result from a Trump presidency, or do you just not care? No, I do not believe it will cause an actual harm delta compared to military engagements Clinton would partake in. Trump would have no control over police policies across the US. If the President could curb such behavior, would you not expect Obama would have enacted such policies over his 8 years in office? Clean Power Plan Obama enacted and now challenged by the Supreme Court? Useless. Coal plants are being deprecated regardless due to renewables and natural gas. How Trump carries himself as a president is simply noise compared to real issues. The President has far less power than people who want to scare you into voting for Clinton would lead you to believe.
ryanisnan 10y ago
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kn0where 10y ago
> If the possible harm had mattered, voters would've held the DNC responsible for their corruption (Bernie Sanders would've been a far better candidate for Democrats to run). Let's be real. Yes, DNC absolutely wanted Clinton to win, not Sanders, and helped Clinton while hurting Sanders. But ultimately, the voters chose Hillary, not Bernie, by large margins [1], so even without the DNC's bias I find it highly unlikely Sanders could have won. [1] http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-prima...
travmatt 10y ago
My favorite Trump-isms: 1) suggesting that America needs to threaten to default on its debts - I can imagine the recession that would ensue. 2) his idea that we need to give more unstable nations nuclear weapons and tell them to 'have fun' - hopefully everyone understands the harms of nuclear wars 3) his idea that we need to kill the innocent family members of terrorists - I doubt this will improve our war on terror 4) his idea that we need to forcibly round up and deport 11 million illegal immigrants - this crowning achievement would be the largest forced migration in human history 5) his idea that we need to punish women who have abortions
- tzs 10y ago
  • Global warming is a hoax. The planet is actually freezing. • Doctors and vaccinations cause autism. References here: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-comments-on-science-are-shockingly-ignorant/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-comments-on...
tzs 10y ago
> Supreme court nominees neither candidate will be able to get through an obstructionist Congress? FiveThirtyEight gives a 75% chance of Democrats winning control of the Senate. If that comes to pass, Clinton will be able to get nominees through through.