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I just hope we get 32G of RAM on the MBP. It's desperately needed.

Alupis 10y ago
I doubt it. Very few people have a legitimate need for 32 GB of RAM in any device, let alone a laptop. Apple doesn't really build their hardware so that it's "developer-oriented", so it's unlikely you'll see 32 GB of RAM anytime soon. Perhaps 8, 12 or 16 GB.
- rimantas 10y ago
  Even for developer 16GB works fine.
  - Alupis 10y ago
    Depends if you're running multiple VM's concurrently, but yes, most of the time, 16 GB is more than enough.
- awalton 10y ago
  As a VMware developer, hehehe, you're funny. As a user of a modern web browser, yeah, 8GB by default isn't going to cut it anymore. Browsers leak like sieves and routinely I have to kill them once they hit 10+GB. 32GB is not even outlandish. It's a simple upgrade. The memory controllers support it. Apple can charge a fortune for it since it's "memory down" instead of DIMMs. Why wouldn't they do it?
  - Alupis 10y ago
    > As a VMware developer, hehehe, you're funny. You seemingly missed my comment about Apple machines not being developer-oriented. A developer isn't Apple's target user. > As a user of a modern web browser, yeah, 8GB by default isn't going to cut it anymore You're clearly exaggerating this by quite a bit. Everyone knows modern browsers consume more RAM than ever before, but 8 GB's is extreme. (Anecdotally, I tend to have hundreds of tabs open across multiple windows for weeks-on-end, and never have hit 8 GB's consumed by Chrome or Firefox, usually in the 1-3 GB range, and that's when I start to get concerned some tab has a broken script running). > 32GB is not even outlandish. It's a simple upgrade. Not really. If maybe 10% of their customers will use it, why include it? Especially right now when Apple seem to be in this kick of removing everything except exactly what they anticipate most of their users need. > Apple can charge a fortune for it since it's "memory down" instead of DIMMs I assume you're referencing the chips being soldered onto the mobo instead of being removable DIMM's - Adding way more RAM than necessary today may in fact preclude "upgrade" revenues later when Apple releases a line-up refresh in a few year's time (when average Joe might actually need 32 GB on his laptop). > Why wouldn't they do it? Because 32 GB is overkill in 2016 for majority of their customers. "Upgrading" to 32 GB today prevents them from doing so in the future in another line-up refresh (when 32 GB might be more reasonable for the average Mac purchaser).
    - Nullabillity 10y ago
      > Because 32 GB is overkill in 2016 for majority of their customers. "Upgrading" to 32 GB today prevents them from doing so in the future in another line-up refresh (when 32 GB might be more reasonable for the average Mac purchaser). So yeah, planned obsolescence. And this is a good thing how, exactly?
      - Alupis 10y ago
        > So yeah, planned obsolescence. And this is a good thing how, exactly? I see no one here making the claim that it is good. However, planned obsolescence has been Apple's MO for as long as I can recall. They are a hardware company, after all, and selling you new hardware is exactly how they make revenue. Bottom line really is - if you want a developer-oriented laptop (with many high performance CPU, GPU, RAM, Disk and I/O Port options), Apple isn't really the place to get it. Apple is a consumer hardware company.
    - awalton 10y ago
      > You're clearly exaggerating this by quite a bit. No, I'm really not. 2785 waltona 20 0 9812.0m 6.289g 144100 R 74.5 40.2 13309:18 firefox 112 tabs right now.
      - Alupis 10y ago
        That implies every tab is using around 73 MB's of RAM. That's ridiculous! Do you have a certain tab that consumes more? Or an extension that's not friendly to memory (such as AdBlock). Regardless, 8 GB is not normal. 112 tabs isn't normal either, for an "average joe". Apple sells to, and caters towards, "average joe's".
    - kylec 10y ago
      You seemingly missed my comment about Apple machines not being developer-oriented. A developer isn't Apple's target user. Why not? A MacBook Pro is standard issue for developers at most companies, and there are probably more developers buying Macs than designers, photographers, or video editors. Also, Apple's flagship products, the iPhone and iPad, require a Mac to develop for, so selling a computer that's good for software development is also an investment in the future of those platforms.
rimantas 10y ago
Is it?
kylec 10y ago
A 1.5TB or 2TB drive would be nice too. My 1TB is full.
Nullabillity 10y ago
You could consider getting a laptop that doesn't solder in the DIMM sticks...
- toyg 10y ago
  With the current generation of laptops, the problem is the controller chipset. If you're not extremely careful, you will likely buy a machine that can only take up to 16 GB, no matter how many sticks you can attach - only the very few top-spec big-ass "portable workstation" models can run up to 32 GB, and if you're dropping money on those, you're likely to go full-spec straight on anyway. That's been the situation for several years now. So no, sticks vs soldered DIMM doesn't really make any difference in today's market for people who want more than 16 GB of memory. (On the other hand, soldered battery is stupid and I tolerate it only because they're really good batteries.)

I doubt it. Very few people have a legitimate need for 32 GB of RAM in any device, let alone a laptop. Apple doesn't really build their hardware so that it's "developer-oriented", so it's unlikely you'll see 32 GB of RAM anytime soon. Perhaps 8, 12 or 16 GB.

rimantas 10y ago
Even for developer 16GB works fine.
- Alupis 10y ago
  Depends if you're running multiple VM's concurrently, but yes, most of the time, 16 GB is more than enough.
awalton 10y ago
As a VMware developer, hehehe, you're funny. As a user of a modern web browser, yeah, 8GB by default isn't going to cut it anymore. Browsers leak like sieves and routinely I have to kill them once they hit 10+GB. 32GB is not even outlandish. It's a simple upgrade. The memory controllers support it. Apple can charge a fortune for it since it's "memory down" instead of DIMMs. Why wouldn't they do it?
- Alupis 10y ago
  > As a VMware developer, hehehe, you're funny. You seemingly missed my comment about Apple machines not being developer-oriented. A developer isn't Apple's target user. > As a user of a modern web browser, yeah, 8GB by default isn't going to cut it anymore You're clearly exaggerating this by quite a bit. Everyone knows modern browsers consume more RAM than ever before, but 8 GB's is extreme. (Anecdotally, I tend to have hundreds of tabs open across multiple windows for weeks-on-end, and never have hit 8 GB's consumed by Chrome or Firefox, usually in the 1-3 GB range, and that's when I start to get concerned some tab has a broken script running). > 32GB is not even outlandish. It's a simple upgrade. Not really. If maybe 10% of their customers will use it, why include it? Especially right now when Apple seem to be in this kick of removing everything except exactly what they anticipate most of their users need. > Apple can charge a fortune for it since it's "memory down" instead of DIMMs I assume you're referencing the chips being soldered onto the mobo instead of being removable DIMM's - Adding way more RAM than necessary today may in fact preclude "upgrade" revenues later when Apple releases a line-up refresh in a few year's time (when average Joe might actually need 32 GB on his laptop). > Why wouldn't they do it? Because 32 GB is overkill in 2016 for majority of their customers. "Upgrading" to 32 GB today prevents them from doing so in the future in another line-up refresh (when 32 GB might be more reasonable for the average Mac purchaser).
  - Nullabillity 10y ago
    > Because 32 GB is overkill in 2016 for majority of their customers. "Upgrading" to 32 GB today prevents them from doing so in the future in another line-up refresh (when 32 GB might be more reasonable for the average Mac purchaser). So yeah, planned obsolescence. And this is a good thing how, exactly?
    - Alupis 10y ago
      > So yeah, planned obsolescence. And this is a good thing how, exactly? I see no one here making the claim that it is good. However, planned obsolescence has been Apple's MO for as long as I can recall. They are a hardware company, after all, and selling you new hardware is exactly how they make revenue. Bottom line really is - if you want a developer-oriented laptop (with many high performance CPU, GPU, RAM, Disk and I/O Port options), Apple isn't really the place to get it. Apple is a consumer hardware company.
  - awalton 10y ago
    > You're clearly exaggerating this by quite a bit. No, I'm really not. 2785 waltona 20 0 9812.0m 6.289g 144100 R 74.5 40.2 13309:18 firefox 112 tabs right now.
    - Alupis 10y ago
      That implies every tab is using around 73 MB's of RAM. That's ridiculous! Do you have a certain tab that consumes more? Or an extension that's not friendly to memory (such as AdBlock). Regardless, 8 GB is not normal. 112 tabs isn't normal either, for an "average joe". Apple sells to, and caters towards, "average joe's".
  - kylec 10y ago
    You seemingly missed my comment about Apple machines not being developer-oriented. A developer isn't Apple's target user. Why not? A MacBook Pro is standard issue for developers at most companies, and there are probably more developers buying Macs than designers, photographers, or video editors. Also, Apple's flagship products, the iPhone and iPad, require a Mac to develop for, so selling a computer that's good for software development is also an investment in the future of those platforms.

rimantas 10y ago

Is it?

kylec 10y ago

A 1.5TB or 2TB drive would be nice too. My 1TB is full.

Nullabillity 10y ago

You could consider getting a laptop that doesn't solder in the DIMM sticks...

toyg 10y ago
With the current generation of laptops, the problem is the controller chipset. If you're not extremely careful, you will likely buy a machine that can only take up to 16 GB, no matter how many sticks you can attach - only the very few top-spec big-ass "portable workstation" models can run up to 32 GB, and if you're dropping money on those, you're likely to go full-spec straight on anyway. That's been the situation for several years now. So no, sticks vs soldered DIMM doesn't really make any difference in today's market for people who want more than 16 GB of memory. (On the other hand, soldered battery is stupid and I tolerate it only because they're really good batteries.)