PUA or "Red Pill" more specifically is about changing yourself to be a better, stronger, more independent man in ways that also happen to coincide with what wom

PUA or "Red Pill" more specifically is about changing yourself to be a better, stronger, more independent man in ways that also happen to coincide with what women find attractive. MGTOW is about being a better, stronger, more independent man in your own terms and explicitly ignoring feedback from woman as input as to what "better" means. For some guys, if you encounter women that happen to want to have sex with you, then go for. Others choose to remove the distraction entirely and ignore engaging in sex so they can focus on themselves. Red Pill/PUA participants will sometimes look down at MGTOW because MGTOW has a lot of guys that aren't really dedicated to improving themselves. MGTOW guys can sometimes be bitter about their lack of sex life and try to use MGTOW to rationalize it and feel better about themselves in a sour-grapes sort of way. If there's any "hate" on either side, they're taking it too seriously and not representative of the rational participants.