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>they sure do spend a lot of time talking about how crappy the bicycles are for the fish Because it's extremely contrary to what 99.9% of men are brought up to

>they sure do spend a lot of time talking about how crappy the bicycles are for the fish Because it's extremely contrary to what 99.9% of men are brought up to believe. There are a lot of concepts that are difficult to learn, understand, and embrace. It's an experience that takes some men years to adopt. And there's a constant influx of men who are new to the concept and need help understanding it. It makes sense there would be a lot of discussion.

scarmig 10y ago
Hypothesis: given two similar groups of men who rely too much on external validation for their own happiness, exposing the experimental group to MGTOW will result in inferior outcomes over the course of a year compared to a no treatment control.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  Care to actually explain why you feel that way? To clarify, MGTOW is the opposite of seeking external validation. The control group will spend their lives continuing to appeal to others, while the MGTOW will learn to be happy with who they are or to change the parts they don't like for their own sake, not others.
  - scarmig 10y ago
    I agree that the appeal of MGTOW is that it recognizes that men's lives have value independent of whether society approves of their level of sexual/romantic success, and that it has as a stated goal helping men live that reality. I think that spending time on, for instance, the MGTOW subreddit doesn't in actuality make progress toward that goal. It focuses very heavily on how women/feminism/society/whatever victimizes men. Victimization mindsets foster an external sense of locus of control instead of an internal one, which holds people back.
    - whamlastxmas 10y ago
      I will admit I don't really know much about MGTOW or its community. My inferences on MGTOW is based on a pretty limited reading about it. If there's really such a heavy focus on victimization and placing blame then yeah, that's shitty. My reading is about Red Pill, which is all about being independent and taking responsibility for your own life. Everything good or bad in life is your own fault. There's nothing wrong with women today, there's something wrong with men (or at least, something wrong with the men who are unhappy about their relationships with women). I think it would be rare to find anyone who's read about Red Pill to disagree with any of these, and I don't think any of these concepts (as applied to straight, white men) would be offensive to even the most extreme feminist.

scarmig 10y ago

Hypothesis: given two similar groups of men who rely too much on external validation for their own happiness, exposing the experimental group to MGTOW will result in inferior outcomes over the course of a year compared to a no treatment control.

whamlastxmas 10y ago
Care to actually explain why you feel that way? To clarify, MGTOW is the opposite of seeking external validation. The control group will spend their lives continuing to appeal to others, while the MGTOW will learn to be happy with who they are or to change the parts they don't like for their own sake, not others.
- scarmig 10y ago
  I agree that the appeal of MGTOW is that it recognizes that men's lives have value independent of whether society approves of their level of sexual/romantic success, and that it has as a stated goal helping men live that reality. I think that spending time on, for instance, the MGTOW subreddit doesn't in actuality make progress toward that goal. It focuses very heavily on how women/feminism/society/whatever victimizes men. Victimization mindsets foster an external sense of locus of control instead of an internal one, which holds people back.
  - whamlastxmas 10y ago
    I will admit I don't really know much about MGTOW or its community. My inferences on MGTOW is based on a pretty limited reading about it. If there's really such a heavy focus on victimization and placing blame then yeah, that's shitty. My reading is about Red Pill, which is all about being independent and taking responsibility for your own life. Everything good or bad in life is your own fault. There's nothing wrong with women today, there's something wrong with men (or at least, something wrong with the men who are unhappy about their relationships with women). I think it would be rare to find anyone who's read about Red Pill to disagree with any of these, and I don't think any of these concepts (as applied to straight, white men) would be offensive to even the most extreme feminist.