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I think you're rather horribly wrong. For one, in the last year or so, the "sex appeal" of financial stability has shot up drastically. Mostly because I'm watc

I think you're rather horribly wrong. For one, in the last year or so, the "sex appeal" of financial stability has shot up drastically. Mostly because I'm watching two friends take a year off (and likely more, since another is in the oven) to raise a baby. > "Womankind has let them down". ...No? I mean, I see where they're coming from, but... Privilege is being used to being the target audience. Women don't owe men anything. People can only let you down if you're expecting something from them. > If you get married to somebody, you both have to sacrifice certain of your desires to make the relationship better To be frank, you have shitty role models for marriage. First, doesn't that occur in relationships in general? I want pizza. My buddy wants thai. Second, the better a fit you and someone else are, the less you have to sacrifice. Third, the more you're into that other someone, the less you give a shit about that sacrifice. > They're brought up on the thoughts that you can have your cake and eat it too. You can play around when you're younger and make your career your priority. Yeah, because you can. I mean, that's the expected story for men, right? Means women can do it too. > Can you listen, sacrifice your spare time to listen to somebody else's problems, do you mind doing chores for a shared house? Sounds like having friends and roommates. Also completely compatible with NOT settling down. > They're more interested in having a life partner that you can share burdens with Sounds like everyone. Wouldn't you expect women to be more interested in life partners that you can share burdens with? Isn't this part of the definition of a best friend? Here's a thing you should do. Add gender to each of your sentences: "If a woman lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), she's not going to be a good partner, and she shouldn't expect a good partner." and then invert it: "If a man lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), he's not going to be a good partner, and he shouldn't expect a good partner." and you'll notice what you're horribly wrong about.

jimmywanger 10y ago
> For one, in the last year or so, the "sex appeal" of financial stability has shot up drastically. Yes. And financial stability can be reached in two ways. Either by making more money, or reducing your expenses. It used to cost about 250k to raise a child to 18, not even considering college expenses. Wouldn't your friends be just as financially stable, if not more so, if they didn't have kids? > Here's a thing you should do. Add gender to each of your sentences: "If a woman lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), she's not going to be a good partner, and she shouldn't expect a good partner." and then invert it: "If a man lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), he's not going to be a good partner, and he shouldn't expect a good partner." Completely agree. However, that's what the MGTOW is doing. "Hey, it takes a certain kind of guy to have a good relationship these days, and it's going to require hard work on my end and sacrifice. I'm just going to not do that, and not inflict my crappy self on other people"

jimmywanger 10y ago

> For one, in the last year or so, the "sex appeal" of financial stability has shot up drastically. Yes. And financial stability can be reached in two ways. Either by making more money, or reducing your expenses. It used to cost about 250k to raise a child to 18, not even considering college expenses. Wouldn't your friends be just as financially stable, if not more so, if they didn't have kids? > Here's a thing you should do. Add gender to each of your sentences: "If a woman lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), she's not going to be a good partner, and she shouldn't expect a good partner." and then invert it: "If a man lacks any of the skills to be good in a relationship (whether from lack of practice or inclination), he's not going to be a good partner, and he shouldn't expect a good partner." Completely agree. However, that's what the MGTOW is doing. "Hey, it takes a certain kind of guy to have a good relationship these days, and it's going to require hard work on my end and sacrifice. I'm just going to not do that, and not inflict my crappy self on other people"