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Your response is pointless. Just flag it and move on. Your fist sandwiches should be reserved for people who waste comments saying things don't belong on HN. No

by rewind 16y ago

Your response is pointless. Just flag it and move on. Your fist sandwiches should be reserved for people who waste comments saying things don't belong on HN. No tagging or categories does not mean that type of comment is a helpful alternative. It's worse.

tumult 16y ago
I don't know why you think my comment is supposed to be an alternative to something. What is your comment supposed to be an alternative to? My comment? Huh? I'm specifically trying to discourage the original submitter from putting off-topic material on HN. There are plenty of sites that cater to whatever stuff. I realize there is a gray area and this argument has been rehashed countless times, but come on, this is irrelevant in every single way.
- samratjp 16y ago
  Please refer to http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html for "gray area."
  - tumult 16y ago
    Yeah thanks, never seen that before. Buzz off. Feel free to ding my karma again, I have plenty. Might as well put it to use griping about the same people who will vote these comments down. If nobody is afraid to break the HN taboo of complaining about the quality of submissions ("oh he's complaining, he must be a new guy, haha I'll link him to the guidelines and put him in his place, yeah!") then people will keep submitting crap.
    - samratjp 16y ago
      I didn't want to reply to throw fuel in this flame, but felt that I should put an end to it. I merely pointed out the link (which you already are familiar with) to end the flames that were going on. Fwiw, I didn't even ding your karma down. Yes, any community will inevitably be filled with a few neighbors with lawn-mowers going off in the middle of the night, but it's worth a gentle reminder. Heck, yes this may very much be off topic (to you and some others), but you have to also realize that the community shapes up the discussions. In this very thread, there are discussions about how this could be done interactively and even some examples at that too. And before I upvote or downvote, I look at the username, their recent actions and their karma level. I saw the post user's profile and learned that the user is new to this community and let it slide, for hey we were all noobs once here and have probably done some off-topic things. "people will keep submitting crap." Oh yes, they will! But, don't worry, HN is a pretty good community as a whole at smelling out B.S. :-)
      - tumult 16y ago
        Sorry, I didn't mean to imply "you" specifically as the one dinging my karma. I kind of meant for everything after that first sentence that referred to "you" to mean anyone reading it. You can't vote down all of my comments 5 times on your own. For what it's worth, I'm mostly disappointed in stuff like this because, while many people were noobs at some point: 1) anyone is free to lurk until they feel un-noob-like 2) you can show some restraint when posting links. I've only made a few submissions, and I think they were pretty ok. Out of the 10, 1 was off topic, and only partially. Here is what bugs me the most: I used to be able to read the 'new' page and see cool stuff. Some of it wouldn't get to the top/front page. Most of it, even the stuff in 'new', was usually pretty good. As it is now, only the top/front page of HN is good to read. Going through 'new' is like becoming a human crap filter. Please don't just submit any crap you feel like because maybe it will get voted to the front. Only submit good stuff. "HN is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of people complaining."

by rewind 16y ago

tumult 16y ago

I don't know why you think my comment is supposed to be an alternative to something. What is your comment supposed to be an alternative to? My comment? Huh? I'm specifically trying to discourage the original submitter from putting off-topic material on HN. There are plenty of sites that cater to whatever stuff. I realize there is a gray area and this argument has been rehashed countless times, but come on, this is irrelevant in every single way.

samratjp 16y ago
Please refer to http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html http://ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html for "gray area."
- tumult 16y ago
  Yeah thanks, never seen that before. Buzz off. Feel free to ding my karma again, I have plenty. Might as well put it to use griping about the same people who will vote these comments down. If nobody is afraid to break the HN taboo of complaining about the quality of submissions ("oh he's complaining, he must be a new guy, haha I'll link him to the guidelines and put him in his place, yeah!") then people will keep submitting crap.
  - samratjp 16y ago
    I didn't want to reply to throw fuel in this flame, but felt that I should put an end to it. I merely pointed out the link (which you already are familiar with) to end the flames that were going on. Fwiw, I didn't even ding your karma down. Yes, any community will inevitably be filled with a few neighbors with lawn-mowers going off in the middle of the night, but it's worth a gentle reminder. Heck, yes this may very much be off topic (to you and some others), but you have to also realize that the community shapes up the discussions. In this very thread, there are discussions about how this could be done interactively and even some examples at that too. And before I upvote or downvote, I look at the username, their recent actions and their karma level. I saw the post user's profile and learned that the user is new to this community and let it slide, for hey we were all noobs once here and have probably done some off-topic things. "people will keep submitting crap." Oh yes, they will! But, don't worry, HN is a pretty good community as a whole at smelling out B.S. :-)
    - tumult 16y ago
      Sorry, I didn't mean to imply "you" specifically as the one dinging my karma. I kind of meant for everything after that first sentence that referred to "you" to mean anyone reading it. You can't vote down all of my comments 5 times on your own. For what it's worth, I'm mostly disappointed in stuff like this because, while many people were noobs at some point: 1) anyone is free to lurk until they feel un-noob-like 2) you can show some restraint when posting links. I've only made a few submissions, and I think they were pretty ok. Out of the 10, 1 was off topic, and only partially. Here is what bugs me the most: I used to be able to read the 'new' page and see cool stuff. Some of it wouldn't get to the top/front page. Most of it, even the stuff in 'new', was usually pretty good. As it is now, only the top/front page of HN is good to read. Going through 'new' is like becoming a human crap filter. Please don't just submit any crap you feel like because maybe it will get voted to the front. Only submit good stuff. "HN is not something that you just dump something on. It's not a big truck. It's a series of people complaining."