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OK, and that is exactly the point at which it becomes an international politics issue.

tptacek 10y ago
I'm not following. Extradition has been an international norm since before the US even existed. We signed our first extradition treaty in the 1700s.
- lmm 10y ago
  Extradition to a country the defendant never went to seems like a new thing, no?
  - tptacek 10y ago
    No, that is also not a new thing. Marcel Lazăr Lahel, for instance, was arrested in and extradited from Romania. I'm sure we can find more examples. What might be new-ish (last 30 years) are crimes you can commit against a foreign state without setting foot on their soil. But I doubt computer crimes set the precedent there; I'm guessing if we look, we'll find some financial crime, or some organized crime, that took place in the middle of the 20th century and created the same fact pattern. Remember as well that the US isn't the only country that extradites people, so we'll probably have a lot of data to look through for examples!
- CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
  Russia and the US are going to bicker over who gets this person, as the article makes clear and you've alluded to. This is just one of many conflicts between both nations that could have far-reaching political consequences. I'm not sure what's more difficult to follow here? I'm not predicting a specific outcome (or worse, detailing some conspiracy theory); I'm just stating that there's a significant potential for bad things to follow this news and expressing my dislike for the general theme of it all.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    Russia has no basis for bickering. No norm of international law suggests Russia has the right to shield its citizens from foreign prosecution. US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well. That was the point of the checklist I provided upthread.
    - CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
      OK, that makes a lot more sense now. The confusion was on my end.
    - zde 10y ago
      > US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well. Unless treaties give jurisdiction to laughable U.S. military courts, which is often the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1998) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident
  - Kalium 10y ago
    There's going to be no bickering. Russia is going to insist as loudly as they can that this is illegitimate, and everyone else is going to largely ignore an extradition in line with international norms.

I'm not following. Extradition has been an international norm since before the US even existed. We signed our first extradition treaty in the 1700s.

lmm 10y ago
Extradition to a country the defendant never went to seems like a new thing, no?
- tptacek 10y ago
  No, that is also not a new thing. Marcel Lazăr Lahel, for instance, was arrested in and extradited from Romania. I'm sure we can find more examples. What might be new-ish (last 30 years) are crimes you can commit against a foreign state without setting foot on their soil. But I doubt computer crimes set the precedent there; I'm guessing if we look, we'll find some financial crime, or some organized crime, that took place in the middle of the 20th century and created the same fact pattern. Remember as well that the US isn't the only country that extradites people, so we'll probably have a lot of data to look through for examples!
CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
Russia and the US are going to bicker over who gets this person, as the article makes clear and you've alluded to. This is just one of many conflicts between both nations that could have far-reaching political consequences. I'm not sure what's more difficult to follow here? I'm not predicting a specific outcome (or worse, detailing some conspiracy theory); I'm just stating that there's a significant potential for bad things to follow this news and expressing my dislike for the general theme of it all.
- tptacek 10y ago
  Russia has no basis for bickering. No norm of international law suggests Russia has the right to shield its citizens from foreign prosecution. US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well. That was the point of the checklist I provided upthread.
  - CiPHPerCoder 10y ago
    OK, that makes a lot more sense now. The confusion was on my end.
  - zde 10y ago
    > US citizens are routinely tried abroad, as well. Unless treaties give jurisdiction to laughable U.S. military courts, which is often the case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1998) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavalese_cable_car_disaster_(1... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident
- Kalium 10y ago
  There's going to be no bickering. Russia is going to insist as loudly as they can that this is illegitimate, and everyone else is going to largely ignore an extradition in line with international norms.