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My wife and I are not "helicopter parents", but that doesn't mean we don't believe in healthy boundaries. Mike talked about wanting to believe that his kids wo

My wife and I are not "helicopter parents", but that doesn't mean we don't believe in healthy boundaries. Mike talked about wanting to believe that his kids would respect his trust, well part of that respect can also be earned in demonstrating that you do, in fact, "know better" about some things by virtue of your age/experience/wisdom. As a parent I don't use my "wisdom" as an excuse to prevent them from learning things for themselves, but in the case of playing on the roof for example, I would put a limit. C'mmon man, don't kill your kids for an ideal.

Prefinem 10y ago
Having fallen off a roof before, I feel like going straight to the 'kill your kids' is a little extreme. I would guess that most falls that result in death are from either a higher than average roof height or onto ground harder than dirt. Also, how will a child learn about the dangers of heights if they never fall and hurt themselves? You can teach them, and that might work for some, but some children have / need to learn the hard way and that's okay.
- sliverstorm 10y ago
  They can certainly have fun & play, and learn about falling, without falling off a roof. The same way they can learn about the hazards of sharp things without playing on a table saw.
  - DannyBee 10y ago
    Just to point out (because hey, why not :P) Table saws are a bad example in some cases. My saw stop will stop the blade in <5 milliseconds of contact. It equates to basically scratching your finger or better (blades move at 3000-3600rpm, so it calculates out to about 1/4 revolution of the blade, max.) As far as i'm aware, they've literally never had a brake activation failure. It's pretty much the safest thing in my shop. Of all the things i'd never let kids play with in the shop, it'd probably be chisels. Which is ironic, because people think they are a good way to introduce kids to woodworking, when they are probably the sharpest and least safe thing due to how sharp and easy to cause severe injury.
    - dzdt 10y ago
      I have only used old table saws. How does the saw stop tell a finger from a board?
      - lfowles 10y ago
        Conductivity. You're not supposed to use them with damp boards or metals (I guess you can, but then you're replacing the saw after it brakes)
        DannyBee 10y ago
        s/saw/saw blade/ ;) I actually miter cut aluminum the other day and it didn't trigger, it depends on how electrically isolated your metal is.
      - mikestew 10y ago
        It's a corporate site, but should give you an idea: http://www.sawstop.com/why-sawstop/the-technology/ http://www.sawstop.com/why-sawstop/the-technology/ Summary: kind of like how your capacitive touchscreen can tell that a finger is touching it.

Prefinem 10y ago

Having fallen off a roof before, I feel like going straight to the 'kill your kids' is a little extreme. I would guess that most falls that result in death are from either a higher than average roof height or onto ground harder than dirt. Also, how will a child learn about the dangers of heights if they never fall and hurt themselves? You can teach them, and that might work for some, but some children have / need to learn the hard way and that's okay.

sliverstorm 10y ago
They can certainly have fun & play, and learn about falling, without falling off a roof. The same way they can learn about the hazards of sharp things without playing on a table saw.
- DannyBee 10y ago
  Just to point out (because hey, why not :P) Table saws are a bad example in some cases. My saw stop will stop the blade in <5 milliseconds of contact. It equates to basically scratching your finger or better (blades move at 3000-3600rpm, so it calculates out to about 1/4 revolution of the blade, max.) As far as i'm aware, they've literally never had a brake activation failure. It's pretty much the safest thing in my shop. Of all the things i'd never let kids play with in the shop, it'd probably be chisels. Which is ironic, because people think they are a good way to introduce kids to woodworking, when they are probably the sharpest and least safe thing due to how sharp and easy to cause severe injury.
  - dzdt 10y ago
    I have only used old table saws. How does the saw stop tell a finger from a board?
    - lfowles 10y ago
      Conductivity. You're not supposed to use them with damp boards or metals (I guess you can, but then you're replacing the saw after it brakes)
      - DannyBee 10y ago
        s/saw/saw blade/ ;) I actually miter cut aluminum the other day and it didn't trigger, it depends on how electrically isolated your metal is.
    - mikestew 10y ago
      It's a corporate site, but should give you an idea: http://www.sawstop.com/why-sawstop/the-technology/ http://www.sawstop.com/why-sawstop/the-technology/ Summary: kind of like how your capacitive touchscreen can tell that a finger is touching it.