Without a doubt both have a degree of truth, but we are back to the original problem I was responding to. When you list off those two things it makes it seem li

Without a doubt both have a degree of truth, but we are back to the original problem I was responding to. When you list off those two things it makes it seem like they are both equally true. The thing that deserves the most credit is the culture. The things that are most impactful are partially impactful because of the culture. If you are picking the one change that does not depend on changing the culture for effectiveness, you could very well be getting less than 1/10 of the safety of dutch.