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The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does. Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. >Should politicians refuse

The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does. Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. >Should politicians refuse to do anything that was not in their campaign leaflets? It would be great, yes. They should refuse to do anything that was against (or far from what was in) their program. Leaflets hardly reflect all of a candidate's program.

coldtea 10y ago
>Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. Well, I don't just know people from Europe, I am from Europe. Computer programmers and geeky types are not representative of the general population. >They should refuse to do anything that was against (or far from what was in) their program. Leaflets hardly reflect all of a candidate's program. Maybe they should though? Why allow for non approved/requested by the public policy changes that they come up on their own? Even better, ask in a direct democratic way for anything not in the program (yeah, within reason -- they could do trivial things and directing).
- summarite 10y ago
  Vast majority of Europeans are aware and in favour of European space programmes, although they don't necessarily know all the details/names/impacts. Maybe if the two of you had actually looked for a source rather than argued you'd have found that yourself.. https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/space_en https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/space_en (Scroll down to documents - the two eurobarometers)
merraksh 10y ago
>Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. Well, I don't just know people from Europe, I am from Europe. Me too. My "Source?" question is still standing. Computer programmers and geeky types are not representative of the general population. That's not the people I referred to when talking of who knows about ESA. >They should refuse to do anything that was against (or far from what was in) their program. Leaflets hardly reflect all of a candidate's program. Maybe they should though? Why allow for non approved/requested by the public policy changes that they come up on their own? Leaflets are small pieces of information that are supposed to be simple and direct. Do you expect details on NASA funding in an A5 piece of papers that barely contains a face and a slogan (and perhaps a few phone numbers and a Twitter handle)? Even better, ask in a direct democratic way for anything not in the program (yeah, within reason -- they could do trivial things and directing). Ask any political scientist why this is not a good idea.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >Me too. My "Source?" question is still standing. What source exactly do you ask for? Some official poll giving the relative recognizability of European organizations and agencies? Your source was having talked to some people from Europe. My experience is the direct opposite, by the facts that: Having talked with lots of people about ESA (as an enthusiast/geek person) and having been met with blank stares. The fact that it features less on European news than NASA. The fact that it doesn't have any celebrated triumphs, NASA-style. The fact that it never or almost never comes up in political discussions about the EU. Try asking some people from all walks of life, average person of the street style...
  - merraksh 10y ago
    What source exactly do you ask for? Some official poll giving the relative recognizability of European organizations and agencies? Yes. That would give a more accurate figure than my or your limited people network. Your source was having talked to some people from Europe. My experience is the direct opposite, by the facts that:... Your people network and my network, again, are not representative and should not be taken as fact but is just anecdotal. The other three facts only show that ESA is less known than NASA to the average European. Your claim was stronger, and I quote you: "The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does." [edited for completeness]
    - coldtea 10y ago
      >Your claim was stronger, and I quote you: "The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does." And I stand by that. Unfortunately I don't have something like the Mechanical Turk for Europe to do a poll.
      - merraksh 10y ago
        Fine then, it will remain a claim. I'm sure after today more people will know about ESA :-)

coldtea 10y ago

>Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. Well, I don't just know people from Europe, I am from Europe. Computer programmers and geeky types are not representative of the general population. >They should refuse to do anything that was against (or far from what was in) their program. Leaflets hardly reflect all of a candidate's program. Maybe they should though? Why allow for non approved/requested by the public policy changes that they come up on their own? Even better, ask in a direct democratic way for anything not in the program (yeah, within reason -- they could do trivial things and directing).

summarite 10y ago
Vast majority of Europeans are aware and in favour of European space programmes, although they don't necessarily know all the details/names/impacts. Maybe if the two of you had actually looked for a source rather than argued you'd have found that yourself.. https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/space_en https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/space_en (Scroll down to documents - the two eurobarometers)

merraksh 10y ago

>Source? a good percentage of the people I know from Europe does. Well, I don't just know people from Europe, I am from Europe. Me too. My "Source?" question is still standing. Computer programmers and geeky types are not representative of the general population. That's not the people I referred to when talking of who knows about ESA. >They should refuse to do anything that was against (or far from what was in) their program. Leaflets hardly reflect all of a candidate's program. Maybe they should though? Why allow for non approved/requested by the public policy changes that they come up on their own? Leaflets are small pieces of information that are supposed to be simple and direct. Do you expect details on NASA funding in an A5 piece of papers that barely contains a face and a slogan (and perhaps a few phone numbers and a Twitter handle)? Even better, ask in a direct democratic way for anything not in the program (yeah, within reason -- they could do trivial things and directing). Ask any political scientist why this is not a good idea.

coldtea 10y ago
>Me too. My "Source?" question is still standing. What source exactly do you ask for? Some official poll giving the relative recognizability of European organizations and agencies? Your source was having talked to some people from Europe. My experience is the direct opposite, by the facts that: Having talked with lots of people about ESA (as an enthusiast/geek person) and having been met with blank stares. The fact that it features less on European news than NASA. The fact that it doesn't have any celebrated triumphs, NASA-style. The fact that it never or almost never comes up in political discussions about the EU. Try asking some people from all walks of life, average person of the street style...
- merraksh 10y ago
  What source exactly do you ask for? Some official poll giving the relative recognizability of European organizations and agencies? Yes. That would give a more accurate figure than my or your limited people network. Your source was having talked to some people from Europe. My experience is the direct opposite, by the facts that:... Your people network and my network, again, are not representative and should not be taken as fact but is just anecdotal. The other three facts only show that ESA is less known than NASA to the average European. Your claim was stronger, and I quote you: "The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does." [edited for completeness]
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >Your claim was stronger, and I quote you: "The average EU citizen has absolutely no idea what ESA is or does." And I stand by that. Unfortunately I don't have something like the Mechanical Turk for Europe to do a poll.
    - merraksh 10y ago
      Fine then, it will remain a claim. I'm sure after today more people will know about ESA :-)