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If at this point you haven't made up your mind, I'm not sure what else you need bro

ludicast 10y ago
The third debate most likely :). I have them at 1-1 so the winner of this debate will have won twice as many debates as the other. Small sample size I know. If he is idiotic and has all of his points torn apart, I will have a hard time pulling the lever for him. Intelligence matters. But if he wins, and then will have won 2 out of 3 debates against a person who spent a month home prepping for them and avoiding the people of this country, that would be very compelling. It all depends on him making a full heel-face-turn for tonight's rubbermatch.
- sickbeard 10y ago
  I know it's your choice and everything but can I ask why you don't just look at their policies.. compared to who wins a debate?
  - ludicast 10y ago
    I have, and I am 50/50 split on those :). I sidewith.com had me at 1% point between bernie, hillary and trump. I 1 - am rabidly pro-choice 2 - think the second amendment is pretty good as is, maybe with a few additional checks. 3 - default pro-cop but think we have too many laws 4 - like the wall but not a fan of massive deportations 5 - would not like to have the migrant influx that europe has, even if the crisis is partly our fault 6 - anti-PC 7 - pro pot-legalization (that's actually more repub this go-round) 8 - believe in climate change 9 - pro-israel 10 - want liberal supreme court justices 11 - think we are taking a very naive approach to the risk of terrorism in order to avoid offending many groups 12 - massively turned on by this https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps-five-point-plan-for-ethics-reform https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps... 13 - have to admit if you put them in a box and made them play jeopardy with only geographic/polysci questions, he would get killed. 14 - want less of the typical pro-jesus anti-gay slant the old guard GOP has had (admittedly that's not him but is the Silver Fox at his side)
    - coldpie 10y ago
      Establishment Democrats like Clinton agree with: 1, 2, 3, half of 4, 7, 8, 10, 13 Disagree with: other half of 4, probably 11 Republicans agree with: half of 2, 3, half of 4 Republicans disagree with: 1, other half of 2, 3, other half of 4, 7, 8, 10, 14 Toss-ups, non-issues, and uselessly vague include 5, 6, 9, 11, and 12. I dunno, it seems pretty clear-cut to me.
      - ludicast 10y ago
        I completely don't agree with your "question redistricting". I'm voting for a person not a party. For example, 3 is solidly not Hillary. Speakers she had at the DNC, tweets after Dallas shooting, on and on. Trump is 100% pro-lgbt and has never been a christian, so 14 isn't him. Trump also is for legalizing medicinal and letting states determine recreational, so 7 is him, not her (have a strong sense from things she's written that she won't legalize). And the ones you earmarked as toss-ups etc are more him. They also are VERY important to ME, so not the non-issues you paint them as. There's a few others like this. But I have to go.
    - jshevek 10y ago
      I was unaware of point 12. Trump is the only major party candidate in my lifetime who might actually do something as awesome as #12. I am still leaning towards a third-party candidate, but that does complicate my dislike for Trump. Thank you for sharing that.
- skummetmaelk 10y ago
  >Intelligence matters. And you are undecided.
  - ludicast 10y ago
    It's doesn't matter above/beyond all issues, otherwise I'd be writing in Cruz, who I agree with on 3% of the issues. If Trump had 10 or more extra IQ points, he would be an easier sell to me. I do feel his ridiculous energy levels might compensate for this and then some, not sure though.
angry-hacker 10y ago
Just rig the election paper. A sane person can't vote for either of them. But a good citizen's duty is to vote. Write my name on it. If you vote for Trump you're a bigot. If you vote for Hillary you're a hypocrite.

The third debate most likely :). I have them at 1-1 so the winner of this debate will have won twice as many debates as the other. Small sample size I know. If he is idiotic and has all of his points torn apart, I will have a hard time pulling the lever for him. Intelligence matters. But if he wins, and then will have won 2 out of 3 debates against a person who spent a month home prepping for them and avoiding the people of this country, that would be very compelling. It all depends on him making a full heel-face-turn for tonight's rubbermatch.

sickbeard 10y ago
I know it's your choice and everything but can I ask why you don't just look at their policies.. compared to who wins a debate?
- ludicast 10y ago
  I have, and I am 50/50 split on those :). I sidewith.com had me at 1% point between bernie, hillary and trump. I 1 - am rabidly pro-choice 2 - think the second amendment is pretty good as is, maybe with a few additional checks. 3 - default pro-cop but think we have too many laws 4 - like the wall but not a fan of massive deportations 5 - would not like to have the migrant influx that europe has, even if the crisis is partly our fault 6 - anti-PC 7 - pro pot-legalization (that's actually more repub this go-round) 8 - believe in climate change 9 - pro-israel 10 - want liberal supreme court justices 11 - think we are taking a very naive approach to the risk of terrorism in order to avoid offending many groups 12 - massively turned on by this https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps-five-point-plan-for-ethics-reform https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trumps... 13 - have to admit if you put them in a box and made them play jeopardy with only geographic/polysci questions, he would get killed. 14 - want less of the typical pro-jesus anti-gay slant the old guard GOP has had (admittedly that's not him but is the Silver Fox at his side)
  - coldpie 10y ago
    Establishment Democrats like Clinton agree with: 1, 2, 3, half of 4, 7, 8, 10, 13 Disagree with: other half of 4, probably 11 Republicans agree with: half of 2, 3, half of 4 Republicans disagree with: 1, other half of 2, 3, other half of 4, 7, 8, 10, 14 Toss-ups, non-issues, and uselessly vague include 5, 6, 9, 11, and 12. I dunno, it seems pretty clear-cut to me.
    - ludicast 10y ago
      I completely don't agree with your "question redistricting". I'm voting for a person not a party. For example, 3 is solidly not Hillary. Speakers she had at the DNC, tweets after Dallas shooting, on and on. Trump is 100% pro-lgbt and has never been a christian, so 14 isn't him. Trump also is for legalizing medicinal and letting states determine recreational, so 7 is him, not her (have a strong sense from things she's written that she won't legalize). And the ones you earmarked as toss-ups etc are more him. They also are VERY important to ME, so not the non-issues you paint them as. There's a few others like this. But I have to go.
  - jshevek 10y ago
    I was unaware of point 12. Trump is the only major party candidate in my lifetime who might actually do something as awesome as #12. I am still leaning towards a third-party candidate, but that does complicate my dislike for Trump. Thank you for sharing that.
skummetmaelk 10y ago
>Intelligence matters. And you are undecided.
- ludicast 10y ago
  It's doesn't matter above/beyond all issues, otherwise I'd be writing in Cruz, who I agree with on 3% of the issues. If Trump had 10 or more extra IQ points, he would be an easier sell to me. I do feel his ridiculous energy levels might compensate for this and then some, not sure though.

angry-hacker 10y ago

Just rig the election paper. A sane person can't vote for either of them. But a good citizen's duty is to vote. Write my name on it. If you vote for Trump you're a bigot. If you vote for Hillary you're a hypocrite.