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Respectfully, I don't think that something has to be done. While your definition of said problem is fair and reasonable, and I share some of your concerns for c

Respectfully, I don't think that something has to be done. While your definition of said problem is fair and reasonable, and I share some of your concerns for children going online, overall I don't agree. I don't think the internet reflects more than the real world offers. It is challenging as a parent (and a school, employer, etc) to govern (!) or monitor how people use your internet access. Certainly much harder than preventing your kids from going to a particular physical place. However, the freely available information that the internet allows humanity to share and access is changing the world. Some things will be better, some perhaps worse and at least more challenging, but I don't support curtailing the freedoms of many. Much damage can be done through things like the proposed ID system, and it will be just that kind of damage - systemic. I suppose what I'm trying to say is - don't be afraid of the world. It's a wonderful and scary place, full of many terrible and beautiful things, and the internet is too. I guess I just don't like the idea of having to turn 18 then get a passport just to Google what's in another country :T

asadjb 10y ago
"I don't think the internet reflects more than the real world offers. It is challenging as a parent (and a school, employer, etc) to govern (!) or monitor how people use your internet access. Certainly much harder than preventing your kids from going to a particular physical place." A thought just popped up in my head about this. Yes, the internet is a reflection of the physical world, but it doesn't have any of the constraints that we have put in the real world. In the real world, you try and select a good neighborhood to raise your children in. This saves them from even coming close to physical spaces we'd like them to avoid. Then in the real world you have signs all over the place that warn you from entering a dangerous situation. Then we regulate access to some of the more dangerous places (places that deal with hazardous materials, prisons, etc). You have things like the "Sex offender registry" which warns you of people to look out for. You have a lot of safeguards in the physical world that nobody bats an eye at because they all make sense. And on top of all this evolution has given you an innate sense of danger. So you naturally stay away from people with knifes, guns, etc. The internet has none of this. So while I'm all for freedom of information, I still think there is a need for some protection. On the internet, adults and kids are some of the time just 1 click away from a NSFL site, except of course that kids can't recognize that; which might be true for some adults as well.
- westiseast 10y ago
  The difficulty is that there is a world of difference between a system which allows a simple, independent and anonymous ID check like you'd get at a bar, vs. an online system that inevitably stores and records your interactions. Perhaps the best way to think of the problem is like this: Yes, kids having access to porn and NSFL content is potentially damaging to society. However, a society where the state keeps a detailed record of everyone's personal sexual preferences is potentially even worse off.
  - asadjb 10y ago
    True. I'm not saying that this system works. I'm just saying that we can't just outright reject every system, just by saying "freedom of speech" and the related arguments that are used to reject any such efforts.
- tajen 10y ago
  > the Internet has none of this "Good neighbourhood" = Ask your child to only use Facebook. Don't let him go near the train station. Leave the Google Safe Search by default. Let them use a video player, but download the content yourself. "Signs all over the place": I don't remember seeing the sign "Warning: Guy selling drugs here" in the backstreet next to my town hall (Lyon, France, not a small city), nor the "Beware of aholes" sign in my highschool ;) and I especially remember 3x4m panels of ads for dating Minitel site (in France) with the curve of a woman's back: The bad world has never really been separated from children, but we'd teach them. I would teach my child to not click on ads, blinking stuff and bodies if they still meet any. They'll have to resist when the hormons kick in, so they'd better learn young. Then, monitor him/her/ah. It's not normal, for a child, to sit unsupervised at a computer for more than a few minutes. Place the computer in the living room, not in their room. They exactly know what to do and where not to click when the parents are around ;) Which means: Problem solved. Yes, some may fall addicted to porn or see curse words, but only if parents don't spend enough time to supervise them, pretty much like in my youth. But at least, other citizen remain untracked.
sorokod 10y ago
> I don't think the internet reflects more than the real world offers I think that at this point in time the internet is an integral part of "the real world".

asadjb 10y ago

"I don't think the internet reflects more than the real world offers. It is challenging as a parent (and a school, employer, etc) to govern (!) or monitor how people use your internet access. Certainly much harder than preventing your kids from going to a particular physical place." A thought just popped up in my head about this. Yes, the internet is a reflection of the physical world, but it doesn't have any of the constraints that we have put in the real world. In the real world, you try and select a good neighborhood to raise your children in. This saves them from even coming close to physical spaces we'd like them to avoid. Then in the real world you have signs all over the place that warn you from entering a dangerous situation. Then we regulate access to some of the more dangerous places (places that deal with hazardous materials, prisons, etc). You have things like the "Sex offender registry" which warns you of people to look out for. You have a lot of safeguards in the physical world that nobody bats an eye at because they all make sense. And on top of all this evolution has given you an innate sense of danger. So you naturally stay away from people with knifes, guns, etc. The internet has none of this. So while I'm all for freedom of information, I still think there is a need for some protection. On the internet, adults and kids are some of the time just 1 click away from a NSFL site, except of course that kids can't recognize that; which might be true for some adults as well.

westiseast 10y ago
The difficulty is that there is a world of difference between a system which allows a simple, independent and anonymous ID check like you'd get at a bar, vs. an online system that inevitably stores and records your interactions. Perhaps the best way to think of the problem is like this: Yes, kids having access to porn and NSFL content is potentially damaging to society. However, a society where the state keeps a detailed record of everyone's personal sexual preferences is potentially even worse off.
- asadjb 10y ago
  True. I'm not saying that this system works. I'm just saying that we can't just outright reject every system, just by saying "freedom of speech" and the related arguments that are used to reject any such efforts.
tajen 10y ago
> the Internet has none of this "Good neighbourhood" = Ask your child to only use Facebook. Don't let him go near the train station. Leave the Google Safe Search by default. Let them use a video player, but download the content yourself. "Signs all over the place": I don't remember seeing the sign "Warning: Guy selling drugs here" in the backstreet next to my town hall (Lyon, France, not a small city), nor the "Beware of aholes" sign in my highschool ;) and I especially remember 3x4m panels of ads for dating Minitel site (in France) with the curve of a woman's back: The bad world has never really been separated from children, but we'd teach them. I would teach my child to not click on ads, blinking stuff and bodies if they still meet any. They'll have to resist when the hormons kick in, so they'd better learn young. Then, monitor him/her/ah. It's not normal, for a child, to sit unsupervised at a computer for more than a few minutes. Place the computer in the living room, not in their room. They exactly know what to do and where not to click when the parents are around ;) Which means: Problem solved. Yes, some may fall addicted to porn or see curse words, but only if parents don't spend enough time to supervise them, pretty much like in my youth. But at least, other citizen remain untracked.

sorokod 10y ago

> I don't think the internet reflects more than the real world offers I think that at this point in time the internet is an integral part of "the real world".