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This is the story of many "enterprise" companies sadly. Some I work for, and while they are slowly changing, I would not say their own data centers (yes, read:

by spotman 10y ago

This is the story of many "enterprise" companies sadly. Some I work for, and while they are slowly changing, I would not say their own data centers (yes, read: data centers) are "little co-located hosting" companies. Usually they are entire departments, with entire budgets and multiple facilities, with many peoples jobs within that. So while for the developer, moving things to AWS is a no-brainer, a time-saver, and a money-saver to the company, the amount of politics, and change, is so large these behemoths of companies are the last to consider it. Security is a valid piece, but also a political move to keep the money from changing hands too rapidly.

btbuilder 10y ago
Also not necessary a no-brainer on cost: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/10/prweb13764156.htm http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/10/prweb13764156.htm "But where labor efficiency is greater than [400 VMs per engineer], OpenStack becomes more financially attractive. In fact, past this tipping point, all private cloud options are cheaper than both public cloud and managed private cloud options." This study does ignore the services supplied on top of basic compute, however.
- vosper 10y ago
  Disregarding cost (haha) is OpenStack actually attractive to use? I was under the impression it was a bit of a bear to deploy and operate (my previous employer gave up, though I strongly suspect the project was never resourced properly in the first place).
  - mugsie 10y ago
    Depends on what you mean by "attractive"... Are any cloud providers UIs good? OpenStack provides decent APIs, and a usable UI. and I much prefer the CLIs OpenStack has to AWSs.
repomies691 10y ago
Hmm. I've heard that also with AWS you can collect quite hefty bills easily. In fact I've heard stories that some startups have failed or had lots of problems because they've been using AWS too carelessly.
- moduspwnens14 10y ago
  Certainly, although that's bound to happen with anything that offers easy scaling. If you put your build artifacts on S3, it just works... all the way up into petabytes. You skip all the intermediate steps you'd otherwise have (like having to get purchase orders signed for petabytes worth of hard drives). Also, in AWS' defense, you won't hear stories about startups using them and having expensive developers sitting on their hands waiting for hardware. Probably a lot of startups only start (or get funding) because of the low barrier to entry AWS provides.

by spotman 10y ago

btbuilder 10y ago

Also not necessary a no-brainer on cost: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/10/prweb13764156.htm http://www.prweb.com/releases/2016/10/prweb13764156.htm "But where labor efficiency is greater than [400 VMs per engineer], OpenStack becomes more financially attractive. In fact, past this tipping point, all private cloud options are cheaper than both public cloud and managed private cloud options." This study does ignore the services supplied on top of basic compute, however.

vosper 10y ago
Disregarding cost (haha) is OpenStack actually attractive to use? I was under the impression it was a bit of a bear to deploy and operate (my previous employer gave up, though I strongly suspect the project was never resourced properly in the first place).
- mugsie 10y ago
  Depends on what you mean by "attractive"... Are any cloud providers UIs good? OpenStack provides decent APIs, and a usable UI. and I much prefer the CLIs OpenStack has to AWSs.

repomies691 10y ago

Hmm. I've heard that also with AWS you can collect quite hefty bills easily. In fact I've heard stories that some startups have failed or had lots of problems because they've been using AWS too carelessly.

moduspwnens14 10y ago
Certainly, although that's bound to happen with anything that offers easy scaling. If you put your build artifacts on S3, it just works... all the way up into petabytes. You skip all the intermediate steps you'd otherwise have (like having to get purchase orders signed for petabytes worth of hard drives). Also, in AWS' defense, you won't hear stories about startups using them and having expensive developers sitting on their hands waiting for hardware. Probably a lot of startups only start (or get funding) because of the low barrier to entry AWS provides.