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These discussions frequently suffer from an invasion of strawmen destined for destruction. So it's probably a good idea to take a look at the actual list of beh
by matt4077 10y ago
These discussions frequently suffer from an invasion of strawmen destined for destruction. So it's probably a good idea to take a look at the actual list of behavior that is addressed:
- Threats of violence
- Hate speech and discrimination
- Bullying and harassment
- Impersonation
- Doxxing and invasion of privacy
- Sexually explicit content
- Active malware or exploits
Now most people will be up in arms about #2, "hate speech and discrimination". I'm sure agreement is much higher for their rejection of "Active malware or exploits".
I'd just like to submit that many people who spend a lot of time online have a distorted view of what is meant with "hate speech and discrimination". I know quite a few activists from what's probably the "left fringe", and I have never found any among them that fit the prevalent stereotype of a "PC Police". Instead, I've seen quite a few examples of the harm that can be done by discrimination (fresh example: a group of 10 people at a conference, and the police chooses to stop-and-frisk the only black guy. Twice. In front of his colleagues, while wearing a Cisco T-shirt and the conference badge).
And that makes my assumption suddenly seem wrong: some malware is, except in rare cases, some lost time or monetary damage, but probably not enough to meaningfully change your life.
Discrimination hits individuals. Possibly only a small percentage, and I have honestly no idea what it feels like. But I'm inclined to trust people, especially because it doesn't cost me anything. I'll rename master/slave, I'll sign community guidelines, I'll try to be a mentor, and when anybody wants to censor certain words in old books I'll calmly explain why that's a stupid idea.
- qb45 10y agoPretty much the only points which make sense are threats of violence and impersonation. Maybe invasion of privacy. Exploits and NSFW is just silly and the rest is asking for abuse. > I'm sure agreement is much higher for their rejection of "Active malware or exploits". Not really, especially when they use it as an excuse to censor lists of malware-infested websites https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12712648 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12712648 while providing hosting for years to famous projects like https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework https://github.com/rapid7/metasploit-framework Not that I think they should take MS down, of course.
- zyx321 10y ago>many people who spend a lot of time online have a distorted view of what is meant with "hate speech and discrimination" That is exactly the problem. There are a lot of people from a privileged upper middle-class background who have never experienced (or even seen) real discrimination, and as a result have a very warped frame of reference what "Hate speech and discrimination" means. These are the people who will be in charge of enforcing the rules.