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While I'm not a fan of this and some parts of the privacy policy, I don't think think the title is fair. What seems to have changed is that DO implemented the P

by onli 10y ago

While I'm not a fan of this and some parts of the privacy policy, I don't think think the title is fair. What seems to have changed is that DO implemented the Privacy Shield Framework, https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome https://www.privacyshield.gov/welcome. This gives them the right to transfer data of EU-customers into the US, given that some customer rights are preserved, without having to respect every single law in every single EU-country. However, they do reserve the right to use collected data to pass sales leads to one of our distribution partners, and that is something that sounds very broad. This is one of those things that do not seem to be explicitly forbidden by privacy shield, but totally collide with german law. I do not see how then privacy shield can be legal in Germany, even if the EU commission did enact that framework. I would expect that the german juridical system will block this later on, but well, I'm an optimist – and I might be wrong here. Still, for the submission title to stay like this, OP should point out what exactly did change that warrants it.

matt4077 10y ago
The "passing sales lead" bit isn't about selling you information to the highest bidder. It's for when "it is necessary to fulfill your request". One example would be ordering a domain name from them – where they have to pass the information on to the registry.
- onli 10y ago
  While you might be right, that does not follow from the structure of the sentence: DigitalOcean may share your information with contracted service providers if sharing your information is necessary to provide a Service you have requested, as part of a joint sales promotion or to pass sales leads to one of our distribution partners, or to keep you up-to-date on product announcements, software updates, special offers or other information. Note the comma after the Service you have requested, and the leading or. I assume your interpretation is probably what they want to say, but it is not what they do say, if I understand correctly what sale leads can be here. Also note that https://www.privacyshield.gov/article?id=My-Rights-under-Privacy-Shield https://www.privacyshield.gov/article?id=My-Rights-under-Pri... makes no statement in that regard, that sharing with third parties is forbidden. Only that you can ask to be informed (how nice!). Mixing issues here, the privacy shield seems to be a horrible framework for EU-customers, while the DO privacy policy is probably alright. Besides, it is not like DO has much information they could share.
sctb 10y ago
We updated the title from “DigitalOcean now has the right to give your private information to third parties”, which breaks the guidelines by editorialized. Titles belong to the content, not to the submitter, so that HN readers can decide what they'd like to read and form their own opinions.

by onli 10y ago

matt4077 10y ago

The "passing sales lead" bit isn't about selling you information to the highest bidder. It's for when "it is necessary to fulfill your request". One example would be ordering a domain name from them – where they have to pass the information on to the registry.

onli 10y ago
While you might be right, that does not follow from the structure of the sentence: DigitalOcean may share your information with contracted service providers if sharing your information is necessary to provide a Service you have requested, as part of a joint sales promotion or to pass sales leads to one of our distribution partners, or to keep you up-to-date on product announcements, software updates, special offers or other information. Note the comma after the Service you have requested, and the leading or. I assume your interpretation is probably what they want to say, but it is not what they do say, if I understand correctly what sale leads can be here. Also note that https://www.privacyshield.gov/article?id=My-Rights-under-Privacy-Shield https://www.privacyshield.gov/article?id=My-Rights-under-Pri... makes no statement in that regard, that sharing with third parties is forbidden. Only that you can ask to be informed (how nice!). Mixing issues here, the privacy shield seems to be a horrible framework for EU-customers, while the DO privacy policy is probably alright. Besides, it is not like DO has much information they could share.

sctb 10y ago

We updated the title from “DigitalOcean now has the right to give your private information to third parties”, which breaks the guidelines by editorialized. Titles belong to the content, not to the submitter, so that HN readers can decide what they'd like to read and form their own opinions.