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Big winners of this election cycle: Trump - If he wins, it's big. If he loses his brand is immensely toxic and no business/brand will want to do business with

by IBM 10y ago

Big winners of this election cycle: Trump - If he wins, it's big. If he loses his brand is immensely toxic and no business/brand will want to do business with him. He'll have to go the Glenn Beck route and create his own media network and try to sustain and leverage the alt-right movement. Alex Jones - Getting a lot more mainstream penetration in my view. He'll be selling a lot more seeds and prepper gear. Julian Assange - Got a new lease on life after he started fading from relevance, especially after Snowden outscooped anything Wikileaks did.

xadhominemx 10y ago
I think you forgot one: Hillary Clinton - President of the United States
- justavoice 10y ago
  and if that happens - Big losers: the citizens of the United States of America
- 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
  Best case scenario for her: she's elected as the least-liked president in history.
  - CalChris 10y ago
    Least liked would and will be George W Bush. He lost the popular vote in 2000 by more than 500,000 votes. He exited office with a 30% approval rating.
    - 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
      approval rating is different than favorability, which was what I meant (I should have used the more specific term). In any event, if she's elected, she will have 4 years to drop below 30%, its an easy goal.
      - cmdrfred 10y ago
        She's at 41%[0] (38% among only registered voters, Trump is at 37% by the same metric) and falling favorably wise, Bush was also at 41%[1] when he was inaugurated but around 47% - 48% at this point in the election. Given her probable "private position" on TPP and other anti-worker policies that number will be lower than Bush (his personal worst in office is 29%), and in half the time. Democrats should hope that she steps down or is impeached, as it will be impossible for her to win the election in 4 years as an incumbent. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-... [1]http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        > ... as it will be impossible for her to win the election in 4 years as an incumbent. It should be impossible for her to win re-election in four years. But it also should have been impossible for her to win this year. All the Republicans had to do was run somebody moderately competent. But...
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Looking at the numbers, all they have to do is not pick Donald Trump. Carson is at 44% (8% never heard of him and 12% report they have no opinion) right now with no advertising spend. Assuming he doesn't have some dark past we don't know about in 4 years, against Clinton it's not even a contest.
        dragonwriter 10y ago
        Relative favorability isn't much of a guide to incumbent vs. challenger elections, though I think there is some evidence that it has some loose utility as a predictor of open-seat elections. (OTOH, the incumbent's approval -- not favorability -- seems to be a strong predictor for incumbent reelection.)
        10y ago
  - ktRolster 10y ago
    Andrew Johnson has her beat for that honor.
    - 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
      Hard to compare to someone who was never elected and served prior to the advent of modern communication or even polling to determine things like that (hardly implying that I consider modern polling authoritative).
      - mikestew 10y ago
        So, then, how modern do our choices for comparison have to be? Or are you willing to keep producing eliminating qualities so that you can continue with your narrative about Clinton?
  - whamlastxmas 10y ago
    And gets a full pardon "so we can stop being distracted by politics and get to the real work".
bla2 10y ago
Not sure, Assange / wikileaks went from "impartial leaked docs hosting service" to "at the whim of founder's grudges" for me. Releasing the dem emails is fine, timing it for maximum damage to Dems election prospects isn't.
- mtnygard 10y ago
  I can't agree. First off, they say they stand for transparency. That's often synonymous with impartiality but not always. Second, one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed. To me that moves the motivation from founder's grudge to self-defense.
  - 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
    > one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed Is it really biased to expose lies and wrongdoings of a person who called for you to be executed without trial?
    - gotofritz 10y ago
      It is if the claim is bullshit
  - belltaco 10y ago
    >Second, one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed. Claim does not hold up. http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/ http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/
- marcoperaza 10y ago
  Anyone who ever thought it was the first was deluding themselves. Assange has always has an agenda. It's just that his old supporters don't like the new flavor of his Koolaid.
  - ddorian43 10y ago
mschuster91 10y ago
> If he loses his brand is immensely toxic and no business/brand will want to do business with him. As if the usual short-attention-span media and population will ever care about it. It'll be maybe until a couple of months after Clinton's inauguration and no one gives a f... about Trump any more. There's always something more newsworthy than the misery of a failed presidential candidate. The only exception will be the GOP: they're in for a couple very nasty years, divided between a couple remaining "ordinary" conservatives, the Trump/Tea Party extreme-right-wing movement which surely won't be retreating even if Trump loses, and a society that is more and more moving towards the left end of the political scale - just look at marijuana, homosexual marriage, abortions... society is on a way towards progress and you just can't sell abortions and homosexual marriages to a party consisting of (extreme) Christians and right-wings. No one will vote for them any more. The GOP will be shattered, the only problem is that there's no one to fill the gap yet.
- Nydhal 10y ago
  It might as well be that the alt-right is already the one filling the gap.
  - mschuster91 10y ago
    > It might as well be that the alt-right is already the one filling the gap. By their volume and tone in shouting on the Internet, yes, for sure - but in numbers? I seriously doubt that the alt-right is capable of maintaining a nationwide powerful political party.
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xadhominemx 10y ago

I think you forgot one: Hillary Clinton - President of the United States

justavoice 10y ago
and if that happens - Big losers: the citizens of the United States of America
464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
Best case scenario for her: she's elected as the least-liked president in history.
- CalChris 10y ago
  Least liked would and will be George W Bush. He lost the popular vote in 2000 by more than 500,000 votes. He exited office with a 30% approval rating.
  - 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
    approval rating is different than favorability, which was what I meant (I should have used the more specific term). In any event, if she's elected, she will have 4 years to drop below 30%, its an easy goal.
    - cmdrfred 10y ago
      She's at 41%[0] (38% among only registered voters, Trump is at 37% by the same metric) and falling favorably wise, Bush was also at 41%[1] when he was inaugurated but around 47% - 48% at this point in the election. Given her probable "private position" on TPP and other anti-worker policies that number will be lower than Bush (his personal worst in office is 29%), and in half the time. Democrats should hope that she steps down or is impeached, as it will be impossible for her to win the election in 4 years as an incumbent. [0]https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-record-number-of-americans-now-dislike-hillary-clinton/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/31/a-... [1]http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm http://www.pollingreport.com/BushFav.htm
      - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        > ... as it will be impossible for her to win the election in 4 years as an incumbent. It should be impossible for her to win re-election in four years. But it also should have been impossible for her to win this year. All the Republicans had to do was run somebody moderately competent. But...
        cmdrfred 10y ago
        Looking at the numbers, all they have to do is not pick Donald Trump. Carson is at 44% (8% never heard of him and 12% report they have no opinion) right now with no advertising spend. Assuming he doesn't have some dark past we don't know about in 4 years, against Clinton it's not even a contest.
        dragonwriter 10y ago
        Relative favorability isn't much of a guide to incumbent vs. challenger elections, though I think there is some evidence that it has some loose utility as a predictor of open-seat elections. (OTOH, the incumbent's approval -- not favorability -- seems to be a strong predictor for incumbent reelection.)
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- ktRolster 10y ago
  Andrew Johnson has her beat for that honor.
  - 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
    Hard to compare to someone who was never elected and served prior to the advent of modern communication or even polling to determine things like that (hardly implying that I consider modern polling authoritative).
    - mikestew 10y ago
      So, then, how modern do our choices for comparison have to be? Or are you willing to keep producing eliminating qualities so that you can continue with your narrative about Clinton?
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  And gets a full pardon "so we can stop being distracted by politics and get to the real work".

bla2 10y ago

Not sure, Assange / wikileaks went from "impartial leaked docs hosting service" to "at the whim of founder's grudges" for me. Releasing the dem emails is fine, timing it for maximum damage to Dems election prospects isn't.

mtnygard 10y ago
I can't agree. First off, they say they stand for transparency. That's often synonymous with impartiality but not always. Second, one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed. To me that moves the motivation from founder's grudge to self-defense.
- 464192002d7fe1c 10y ago
  > one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed Is it really biased to expose lies and wrongdoings of a person who called for you to be executed without trial?
  - gotofritz 10y ago
    It is if the claim is bullshit
- belltaco 10y ago
  >Second, one of the candidates in this election has previously stated that Assange should be killed. Claim does not hold up. http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/ http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/
marcoperaza 10y ago
Anyone who ever thought it was the first was deluding themselves. Assange has always has an agenda. It's just that his old supporters don't like the new flavor of his Koolaid.
- ddorian43 10y ago

mschuster91 10y ago

> If he loses his brand is immensely toxic and no business/brand will want to do business with him. As if the usual short-attention-span media and population will ever care about it. It'll be maybe until a couple of months after Clinton's inauguration and no one gives a f... about Trump any more. There's always something more newsworthy than the misery of a failed presidential candidate. The only exception will be the GOP: they're in for a couple very nasty years, divided between a couple remaining "ordinary" conservatives, the Trump/Tea Party extreme-right-wing movement which surely won't be retreating even if Trump loses, and a society that is more and more moving towards the left end of the political scale - just look at marijuana, homosexual marriage, abortions... society is on a way towards progress and you just can't sell abortions and homosexual marriages to a party consisting of (extreme) Christians and right-wings. No one will vote for them any more. The GOP will be shattered, the only problem is that there's no one to fill the gap yet.

Nydhal 10y ago
It might as well be that the alt-right is already the one filling the gap.
- mschuster91 10y ago
  > It might as well be that the alt-right is already the one filling the gap. By their volume and tone in shouting on the Internet, yes, for sure - but in numbers? I seriously doubt that the alt-right is capable of maintaining a nationwide powerful political party.

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