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Oh yes they do: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304384104579141941949066648 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023043841045791419...

by waqf 10y ago

zeusk 10y ago
That's a comparison of various classes and other types of seating, not the same seats from some time ago. EDIT: From within the article, Early jet planes like Boeing's 707 had 17-inch seats, a dimension based on the width of a U.S. Air Force pilot's hips, says Airbus marketing chief Chris Emerson. That standard for long-haul flying increased to 18-inches in the 1970s and 1980s with the 747 jumbo and the first Airbus jets. It widened to 18.5 inches with the Boeing 777 in the 1990s and A380 superjumbo[1] in the 2000s. Now, cost-conscious airlines are moving to lighter 17-inch-wide seats on their Boeing 777 and 787 Dreamliners and 18-inch seats for A350s. [1] sic, A380 was only a concept at that point.
- danudey 10y ago
  Boeing is saying that airlines are ordering more planes with more cramped economy seating than they were before, even though they're the same models of plane. "For almost 20 years, the standard setup in the back of a Boeing 777 was nine seats per row. But last year, nearly 70% of its biggest version of the plane were delivered with 10-abreast seating, up from just 15% in 2010." So over five years, airlines were ordering more and more of these especially cramped 777s than before, which means the same class and the same model of plane has narrower seats and aisles so they can cram in one extra person in each row. This is a discussion on new planes, but I would be surprised if airlines weren't moving to the new configuration on older planes as well whenever they do an upgrade or refurbish (or use those planes on lower-demand routes where the lower capacity doesn't impact the actual number of seats sold).
  - zeusk 10y ago
    > Also, aren't they the same planes and seats as decades ago? > Early jet planes like Boeing's 707 had 17-inch seats > Now, cost-conscious airlines are moving to lighter 17-inch-wide seats on their Boeing 777 and 787 Dreamliners and 18-inch seats for A350s. If anything, we're just going back to the older seat width after enjoying a few extra inches on the non-low cost carriers; Sure they're adding more rows but the seats themselves are just as wide (if not more) than what they were decades ago.
  - coredog64 10y ago
    Seats and galleys are BFE (buyer furnished equipment), so you can't blame Boeing/Airbus for cramped seating.

Oh yes they do: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304384104579141941949066648 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023043841045791419...

by waqf 10y ago

Oh yes they do: http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304384104579141941949066648 http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023043841045791419...

zeusk 10y ago

That's a comparison of various classes and other types of seating, not the same seats from some time ago. EDIT: From within the article, Early jet planes like Boeing's 707 had 17-inch seats, a dimension based on the width of a U.S. Air Force pilot's hips, says Airbus marketing chief Chris Emerson. That standard for long-haul flying increased to 18-inches in the 1970s and 1980s with the 747 jumbo and the first Airbus jets. It widened to 18.5 inches with the Boeing 777 in the 1990s and A380 superjumbo[1] in the 2000s. Now, cost-conscious airlines are moving to lighter 17-inch-wide seats on their Boeing 777 and 787 Dreamliners and 18-inch seats for A350s. [1] sic, A380 was only a concept at that point.

danudey 10y ago
Boeing is saying that airlines are ordering more planes with more cramped economy seating than they were before, even though they're the same models of plane. "For almost 20 years, the standard setup in the back of a Boeing 777 was nine seats per row. But last year, nearly 70% of its biggest version of the plane were delivered with 10-abreast seating, up from just 15% in 2010." So over five years, airlines were ordering more and more of these especially cramped 777s than before, which means the same class and the same model of plane has narrower seats and aisles so they can cram in one extra person in each row. This is a discussion on new planes, but I would be surprised if airlines weren't moving to the new configuration on older planes as well whenever they do an upgrade or refurbish (or use those planes on lower-demand routes where the lower capacity doesn't impact the actual number of seats sold).
- zeusk 10y ago
  > Also, aren't they the same planes and seats as decades ago? > Early jet planes like Boeing's 707 had 17-inch seats > Now, cost-conscious airlines are moving to lighter 17-inch-wide seats on their Boeing 777 and 787 Dreamliners and 18-inch seats for A350s. If anything, we're just going back to the older seat width after enjoying a few extra inches on the non-low cost carriers; Sure they're adding more rows but the seats themselves are just as wide (if not more) than what they were decades ago.
- coredog64 10y ago
  Seats and galleys are BFE (buyer furnished equipment), so you can't blame Boeing/Airbus for cramped seating.