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I don't think it's fair to paint supporters of 'stop and frisk' as racists. A friend of mine is a cop in Chicago and told me recently, to my surprise, that the

by nugget 10y ago

I don't think it's fair to paint supporters of 'stop and frisk' as racists. A friend of mine is a cop in Chicago and told me recently, to my surprise, that the biggest supporters of these policies are actually the ordinary families living in bad neighborhoods who have a "do whatever it takes" attitude towards reducing the violent crime on their doorsteps. Personally I would support pushing decisions like this down to the most local level possible. If the residents of Fuller Park or Englewood or other neighborhoods in Chicago want stop and frisk, then let them vote for it in the affirmitive, and let it be enforced only in those areas, as an act of self-governance, implemented in a transparent and accountable way that will satisfy critics as to its constitutionality.

tptacek 10y ago
I live near the corner of Austin and Madison in Chicago (you seem familiar with the geography and that you'd know what that implies) and I do not believe it is the case that residents of that neighborhood have a general attitude of "let the police do whatever they need to to reduce crime". I can be more specific if we need to be. More importantly, we have a Constitution precisely so that the residents of crime-stricken neighborhoods cannot simply vote to repeal protections they've stopped liking. By the way? If neighborhoods had that ability, I'm fairly certain Kenilworth would make a lot more use of it than Englewood.
- nugget 10y ago
  Q: Was the police technique of “stop-and-frisk” found unconstitutional? A: The practice is not unconstitutional, but a judge ruled in 2013 that New York City’s stop-and-frisk program was carried out in a manner that violated the U.S. Constitution. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/is-stop-and-frisk-unconstitutional/ http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/is-stop-and-frisk-unconstit...
  - tptacek 10y ago
    You are not responding to my comment.
    - nugget 10y ago
      Presumably if it was implemented in a Constitutional way then you wouldn't be as opposed to a community electing to self-impose it. I see that as extension of the community policing movement. As to what the voting majorities in these communities actually believe (or would vote for), I doubt it's possible to know unless put to the test (despite anecdotes from both of us).

by nugget 10y ago

tptacek 10y ago

I live near the corner of Austin and Madison in Chicago (you seem familiar with the geography and that you'd know what that implies) and I do not believe it is the case that residents of that neighborhood have a general attitude of "let the police do whatever they need to to reduce crime". I can be more specific if we need to be. More importantly, we have a Constitution precisely so that the residents of crime-stricken neighborhoods cannot simply vote to repeal protections they've stopped liking. By the way? If neighborhoods had that ability, I'm fairly certain Kenilworth would make a lot more use of it than Englewood.

nugget 10y ago
Q: Was the police technique of “stop-and-frisk” found unconstitutional? A: The practice is not unconstitutional, but a judge ruled in 2013 that New York City’s stop-and-frisk program was carried out in a manner that violated the U.S. Constitution. http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/is-stop-and-frisk-unconstitutional/ http://www.factcheck.org/2016/09/is-stop-and-frisk-unconstit...
- tptacek 10y ago
  You are not responding to my comment.
  - nugget 10y ago
    Presumably if it was implemented in a Constitutional way then you wouldn't be as opposed to a community electing to self-impose it. I see that as extension of the community policing movement. As to what the voting majorities in these communities actually believe (or would vote for), I doubt it's possible to know unless put to the test (despite anecdotes from both of us).