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Some additional questions - Is a company allowed to sell what an individual willingly provides if the individual agrees to those terms? - Should an individual

Some additional questions - Is a company allowed to sell what an individual willingly provides if the individual agrees to those terms? - Should an individual who provided personal information expect the company to keep it private by default or expect capitalism by default? - should a company legally be disallowed to promise/advertise security? - Is the government allowed to act similarly as any other private company in regards to accessing information?

x1798DE 10y ago
> - Is the government allowed to act similarly as any other private company in regards to accessing information? I'm pretty sure most people would say no to this question (at least, after you gave them some examples). The government is bound by the constitution in ways that private companies are not, for good reason. I'm pretty sure that's the point that the grandparent post was trying to make - that the ACLU should make clear that they are advocating that this is a situation wherein the government doesn't have preferred access, but they should have restricted access.
- formula1 10y ago
  I think your right, most people would agree they should not. However, if foreign governments can act in this manner while the US government cannot. Doesn't this put the US government at a disadvantage? Are we willing to give up the longterm safety of our nation for the convinient comfort of the privacy from our government now? In ways, I think yes. But I also believe that this is a very important conversation we have to ask ourselves. Theres nothing stopping the bullies of the world from company owned information except the price the companies put on it.
  - x1798DE 10y ago
    I don't know how that has any bearing on what the post you were responding to said, or on the article in general. There's no need to get into vague generalities about "falling behind" other nations that "get to" use dictatorial methods on their people, there's a specific question here about whether the US government 1.) is allowed to do this based on the powers and restrictions enumerated in the constitution and 2.) should be allowed to do it.
    - formula1 10y ago
      1) > preamble - Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our prosperity. So far so good. We certainly do need to provide for the common defense, and secure the blessings of liberty. > 4th ammendment is unreasonable searches and seziures Its quite reasonable considering every other party is capable of it > 9th ammendment - individuals have unenumerated rights This might be a stopper. A person may have the right to control the information they willingly gave away and which they specifically agreed to give up control. 2) Should the government have a standing military capable of lethal force? Should the government be allowed to setup metal detectors and security guards at the fronts of schools? Should the government be allowed to collect information about their citizens? Should the government be allowed to purchase information from private companies? Should the government be allowed to purchase weapons from private companies? Should the government be allowed contract security jobs to private companies? These questions arent that contreversial but certainly interesting

x1798DE 10y ago

> - Is the government allowed to act similarly as any other private company in regards to accessing information? I'm pretty sure most people would say no to this question (at least, after you gave them some examples). The government is bound by the constitution in ways that private companies are not, for good reason. I'm pretty sure that's the point that the grandparent post was trying to make - that the ACLU should make clear that they are advocating that this is a situation wherein the government doesn't have preferred access, but they should have restricted access.

formula1 10y ago
I think your right, most people would agree they should not. However, if foreign governments can act in this manner while the US government cannot. Doesn't this put the US government at a disadvantage? Are we willing to give up the longterm safety of our nation for the convinient comfort of the privacy from our government now? In ways, I think yes. But I also believe that this is a very important conversation we have to ask ourselves. Theres nothing stopping the bullies of the world from company owned information except the price the companies put on it.
- x1798DE 10y ago
  I don't know how that has any bearing on what the post you were responding to said, or on the article in general. There's no need to get into vague generalities about "falling behind" other nations that "get to" use dictatorial methods on their people, there's a specific question here about whether the US government 1.) is allowed to do this based on the powers and restrictions enumerated in the constitution and 2.) should be allowed to do it.
  - formula1 10y ago
    1) > preamble - Provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare and secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our prosperity. So far so good. We certainly do need to provide for the common defense, and secure the blessings of liberty. > 4th ammendment is unreasonable searches and seziures Its quite reasonable considering every other party is capable of it > 9th ammendment - individuals have unenumerated rights This might be a stopper. A person may have the right to control the information they willingly gave away and which they specifically agreed to give up control. 2) Should the government have a standing military capable of lethal force? Should the government be allowed to setup metal detectors and security guards at the fronts of schools? Should the government be allowed to collect information about their citizens? Should the government be allowed to purchase information from private companies? Should the government be allowed to purchase weapons from private companies? Should the government be allowed contract security jobs to private companies? These questions arent that contreversial but certainly interesting