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While I agree that Assange has been under an incomprehensible amount of stress for such a long time, he is getting increasingly radical and less journalistic, s

While I agree that Assange has been under an incomprehensible amount of stress for such a long time, he is getting increasingly radical and less journalistic, such as his (edit: alleged) vendetta against Clinton.

imron 10y ago
He has repeatedly stated that he would happily release information on Trump and the Republicans if someone would leak it to him.
- thingexplainer 10y ago
  I'm sure he would, that doesn't make it appropriate to use leaked information to carry out a vendetta. edit: getting source
  - imron 10y ago
    Is it really a vendetta though (genuine question, I'd be happy to see a source), or is it just that the people leaking information to him are doing it at this time, and he's releasing it for 'maximum impact' which has been what Wikileaks always tries to do?
    - thingexplainer 10y ago
      Wikileaks should not serve the agenda of it's sources in reporting information, but of the citizens of the world who need more transparency that they claim to represent. Here you are: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-beside-point/ https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-... People talk a lot about how Putin is an opportunist. I think he saw how bitter Assange was becoming and understood if he gave him the documents, he could step back and let him carry out his vengeance against a woman who had a huge role in forcing him to ground in the embassy ("can't we just drone this guy?"). I'm told this is a Rule of Power. But that is speculation.
      - imron 10y ago
        Note the key phrase from that article 'led to speculation that...' In any case, here's Assange himself discussing this exact thing recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mARUrPtXk&feature=youtu.be&t=5019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mARUrPtXk&feature=youtu.be... Doesn't seem like much of a vendetta according to him.
        thingexplainer 10y ago
        It'd been a while since I'd read the article, and you're right, I oversimplified in my memory. I appreciate the counterpoint (though I can't watch it at the moment).
        imron 10y ago
        Here's part of his answer: "There’s been a lot of misquoting of me and WikiLeaks publications. In this particular case, the misquoting has to do with that we intend, or I intend, to harm Hillary Clinton or that I don’t like Hillary Clinton. All those are false. They come about as a result it seems of this campaign and those who are trying to personalize our publications."
    - FireBeyond 10y ago
      If you want to be seen as neutral, release information when you receive it. Not "for maximum impact", or if threatened, or "if something happens to me", or any other variation. If nothing else, it frees (or minimizes) accusations of you being bribed, blackmailed, extorted, having an agenda beyond "releasing information".
      - thingexplainer 10y ago
        I could learn to see past an insurance file for WikiLeaks and still regard them as journalists, the idealized WikiLeaks is struggling in an asymmetric conflict with nation states and could probably use some insurance.

imron 10y ago

He has repeatedly stated that he would happily release information on Trump and the Republicans if someone would leak it to him.

thingexplainer 10y ago
I'm sure he would, that doesn't make it appropriate to use leaked information to carry out a vendetta. edit: getting source
- imron 10y ago
  Is it really a vendetta though (genuine question, I'd be happy to see a source), or is it just that the people leaking information to him are doing it at this time, and he's releasing it for 'maximum impact' which has been what Wikileaks always tries to do?
  - thingexplainer 10y ago
    Wikileaks should not serve the agenda of it's sources in reporting information, but of the citizens of the world who need more transparency that they claim to represent. Here you are: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-beside-point/ https://theintercept.com/2016/08/06/accusing-wikileaks-bias-... People talk a lot about how Putin is an opportunist. I think he saw how bitter Assange was becoming and understood if he gave him the documents, he could step back and let him carry out his vengeance against a woman who had a huge role in forcing him to ground in the embassy ("can't we just drone this guy?"). I'm told this is a Rule of Power. But that is speculation.
    - imron 10y ago
      Note the key phrase from that article 'led to speculation that...' In any case, here's Assange himself discussing this exact thing recently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mARUrPtXk&feature=youtu.be&t=5019 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6mARUrPtXk&feature=youtu.be... Doesn't seem like much of a vendetta according to him.
      - thingexplainer 10y ago
        It'd been a while since I'd read the article, and you're right, I oversimplified in my memory. I appreciate the counterpoint (though I can't watch it at the moment).
        imron 10y ago
        Here's part of his answer: "There’s been a lot of misquoting of me and WikiLeaks publications. In this particular case, the misquoting has to do with that we intend, or I intend, to harm Hillary Clinton or that I don’t like Hillary Clinton. All those are false. They come about as a result it seems of this campaign and those who are trying to personalize our publications."
  - FireBeyond 10y ago
    If you want to be seen as neutral, release information when you receive it. Not "for maximum impact", or if threatened, or "if something happens to me", or any other variation. If nothing else, it frees (or minimizes) accusations of you being bribed, blackmailed, extorted, having an agenda beyond "releasing information".
    - thingexplainer 10y ago
      I could learn to see past an insurance file for WikiLeaks and still regard them as journalists, the idealized WikiLeaks is struggling in an asymmetric conflict with nation states and could probably use some insurance.