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I think the parent is actually referring to pre-tax salaries; the baselines are much lower (last I checked) in the EU relative to the US.

by gervase 10y ago

walshemj 10y ago
A senior ie 10 years experience in London is unlikely to make more than $70k which is about half what the starting salary is for google in the valley
- vidarh 10y ago
  There are plenty of senior dev jobs in London that pay far more than that. I passed that level in London 15 years ago. At that time I had about 6 years experience. It depends much more on niche, how well your market yourself, and what type of companies you work for.
  - walshemj 10y ago
    Perm or contractor?
    - vidarh 10y ago
      Perm. Contractor rates need to be much higher to be anything worth talking about. EDIT: Basically, never accept the first offer. Brits rarely negotiate, but I negotiated up my last salary 50% over the initial offer, after going in specifically knowing the top end of the stated salary band was lower than what I'd consider. If you take the initial offer, you're being paid less than your employer was willing to pay. I've never had an offer pulled, in London or elsewhere, over trying to negotiate it. I've declined positions where I didn't get it quite high enough, though. If you take the initial offer, then you'll be very lucky to get a good deal. And aim for niches. E.g. PHP devs are dime a dozen. Talk to a recruiter and flat out ask them what skills they get most demand for and highest salaries for now. Just be honest and tell them you're considering what to skill up in. I do backend/devops stuff with AWS and other cloud services etc, and that'd doing ok, but there are other opportunities. And network as much as you can. You'll get your salary up a lot if you're coming in via a suitable recommendation rather than the normal hiring channels.
  - walshemj 10y ago
    ah just realized I used $ instead on £ there.
gtirloni 10y ago
Some payroll taxes have to paid by employers (i.e. not subtracted from monthly salary). If they are higher than in the US, employers have less incentive to offer big salaries. Just did a quick calculation for Brazil and for an employee that earns $1000/month, the employer has to spend $1528/month ($1000 salary + $528 in taxes and mandatory benefits).
throwaway1892 10y ago
At least in France companies pay tax on your salary so even if you receive 2000 € for your salary, the company would have paid 3000 € (salary + taxes). Then you pay the tax on your revenue. Then the company pay tax on revenue. Then politics wonder why France is not attractive to investments

I think the parent is actually referring to pre-tax salaries; the baselines are much lower (last I checked) in the EU relative to the US.

by gervase 10y ago

I think the parent is actually referring to pre-tax salaries; the baselines are much lower (last I checked) in the EU relative to the US.

walshemj 10y ago

A senior ie 10 years experience in London is unlikely to make more than $70k which is about half what the starting salary is for google in the valley

vidarh 10y ago
There are plenty of senior dev jobs in London that pay far more than that. I passed that level in London 15 years ago. At that time I had about 6 years experience. It depends much more on niche, how well your market yourself, and what type of companies you work for.
- walshemj 10y ago
  Perm or contractor?
  - vidarh 10y ago
    Perm. Contractor rates need to be much higher to be anything worth talking about. EDIT: Basically, never accept the first offer. Brits rarely negotiate, but I negotiated up my last salary 50% over the initial offer, after going in specifically knowing the top end of the stated salary band was lower than what I'd consider. If you take the initial offer, you're being paid less than your employer was willing to pay. I've never had an offer pulled, in London or elsewhere, over trying to negotiate it. I've declined positions where I didn't get it quite high enough, though. If you take the initial offer, then you'll be very lucky to get a good deal. And aim for niches. E.g. PHP devs are dime a dozen. Talk to a recruiter and flat out ask them what skills they get most demand for and highest salaries for now. Just be honest and tell them you're considering what to skill up in. I do backend/devops stuff with AWS and other cloud services etc, and that'd doing ok, but there are other opportunities. And network as much as you can. You'll get your salary up a lot if you're coming in via a suitable recommendation rather than the normal hiring channels.
- walshemj 10y ago
  ah just realized I used $ instead on £ there.

gtirloni 10y ago

Some payroll taxes have to paid by employers (i.e. not subtracted from monthly salary). If they are higher than in the US, employers have less incentive to offer big salaries. Just did a quick calculation for Brazil and for an employee that earns $1000/month, the employer has to spend $1528/month ($1000 salary + $528 in taxes and mandatory benefits).

throwaway1892 10y ago

At least in France companies pay tax on your salary so even if you receive 2000 € for your salary, the company would have paid 3000 € (salary + taxes). Then you pay the tax on your revenue. Then the company pay tax on revenue. Then politics wonder why France is not attractive to investments