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As a frequent HN user and an active member of this community, I think that these stories do not belong on HN. Even if they are technically relevant, I don't t

by rayalez 10y ago

As a frequent HN user and an active member of this community, I think that these stories do not belong on HN. Even if they are technically relevant, I don't think that they improve the quality of this website and discussion. Personally, I don't want to see any headline with the word "Trump" in it on HN. So far it's been the only place on the internet free of this nonsense. I know that it's relevant and inflammatory, so it gets popular and upvoted, but I come here for "things that stimulate intellectual curiosity". Trump articles, on either side, only stimulate controversy and anger. Let's talk about programming and science here guys, there's plenty of subreddits where you can discuss Trump!

pesenti 10y ago
I disagree because this community has a tendency to ignore other "soft" problems (like gender equality or diversity in tech) that are very relevant and important. If we keep it too narrow, then there is no hope to ever solve them. While you may not feel concerned by the misogyny and bigotry of a Trump or Thiel, it's essential to minorities that already haven't felt very welcome in this community.
- internaut 10y ago
  Are you familiar with the concept of 'entryism'? It is where a political organization, among other things, puts headlines in the news to try and wrestle control away from the owners of a company. This is not imaginary, in China this is explicitly done with the Communist party and small companies when they reach a certain size or amount of influence. The right believe the left is doing this with Silicon Valley. Here social justice warriors are something like shock troops indirectly manipulated by higher level political organizations like the Clinton foundation. We know for example that Salon and Gawker were put up to specific stories in pay for play and they received mysterious anonymous donations when they did so. You don't have to believe that, but perhaps this will explain to you the hesitancy of the other side in taking your proposition seriously. When a right wing tech employer hires a person (esp. a woman or minority) they sometimes wonder if they are part of a leftist ideological struggle which is orthogonal to the business's interests. An example is that we see the CEO of Yahoo, a woman, firing large numbers of men to replace them with women for no conceivable reason relating to merit. This sort of thing appears to be uncontroversial in Silicon Valley but it is very not OK elsewhere. Mayer is being sued for sexism against men with a class action lawsuit I believe. I predict Silicon Valley bifurcates along leftist and rightist lines but there is also a chance political chicanery tears the industry apart. All of this is to explain to you that we are very aware of this: > community has a tendency to ignore other "soft" problems (like gender equality or diversity in tech) that are very relevant and important. It's that if I were to start a company tomorrow I would explicitly make it clear that SJWism was something that would get you immediately fired for the same reason having a 'StormFront' club in the company would be bad news for the manager.
internaut 10y ago
I already flag most political stories I see! I'll try to be even handed as I can. If there is an anti-internaut then most of them should be caught. It's just that there's an unremitting tide of them, partly for the reason gus_massa pointed out to do with url filters.

by rayalez 10y ago

pesenti 10y ago

I disagree because this community has a tendency to ignore other "soft" problems (like gender equality or diversity in tech) that are very relevant and important. If we keep it too narrow, then there is no hope to ever solve them. While you may not feel concerned by the misogyny and bigotry of a Trump or Thiel, it's essential to minorities that already haven't felt very welcome in this community.

internaut 10y ago
Are you familiar with the concept of 'entryism'? It is where a political organization, among other things, puts headlines in the news to try and wrestle control away from the owners of a company. This is not imaginary, in China this is explicitly done with the Communist party and small companies when they reach a certain size or amount of influence. The right believe the left is doing this with Silicon Valley. Here social justice warriors are something like shock troops indirectly manipulated by higher level political organizations like the Clinton foundation. We know for example that Salon and Gawker were put up to specific stories in pay for play and they received mysterious anonymous donations when they did so. You don't have to believe that, but perhaps this will explain to you the hesitancy of the other side in taking your proposition seriously. When a right wing tech employer hires a person (esp. a woman or minority) they sometimes wonder if they are part of a leftist ideological struggle which is orthogonal to the business's interests. An example is that we see the CEO of Yahoo, a woman, firing large numbers of men to replace them with women for no conceivable reason relating to merit. This sort of thing appears to be uncontroversial in Silicon Valley but it is very not OK elsewhere. Mayer is being sued for sexism against men with a class action lawsuit I believe. I predict Silicon Valley bifurcates along leftist and rightist lines but there is also a chance political chicanery tears the industry apart. All of this is to explain to you that we are very aware of this: > community has a tendency to ignore other "soft" problems (like gender equality or diversity in tech) that are very relevant and important. It's that if I were to start a company tomorrow I would explicitly make it clear that SJWism was something that would get you immediately fired for the same reason having a 'StormFront' club in the company would be bad news for the manager.

internaut 10y ago

I already flag most political stories I see! I'll try to be even handed as I can. If there is an anti-internaut then most of them should be caught. It's just that there's an unremitting tide of them, partly for the reason gus_massa pointed out to do with url filters.