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Then perhaps you'd like to get rid of anonymous voting?

by hueving 10y ago

tptacek 10y ago
No, I would not like to get rid of anonymous voting. Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.
- hueving 10y ago
  But you would like to punish people who are publicly backing a candidate. Not very consistent.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    You'll have to do a better job of connecting those dots for me, because I do not see the connection between criticizing someone for endorsing a member of the Trump campaign and working to eliminate the anonymous vote. Incidentally? Elimination of the anonymous vote? That's something Peter Thiel probably actually believes in. He believes democracy is a failed experiment, and the extension of the franchise to women harmed society. He believes, in general, that more voting worsens outcomes.
  - bbctol 10y ago
    Can you not see the difference between judging people for their public positions and making it illegal for their positions to be private?
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tedmiston 10y ago
Voter registration is already public in many states (and searchable online). While that doesn't include actual votes, it does include party affiliation which is obviously a strong indicator. Beyond some extreme exceptions, you can't even opt-out of being listed in this publicly searchable database which includes your home address as well. In other words, voting is hardly anonymous even today. And even that doesn't account for recent massive scale (191M people) leaks [1]. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3yinij/entire_us_voter_registration_record_leaks_191/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3yinij/entire_us_v...
- hueving 10y ago
  You don't have to put a political affiliation.
  - tedmiston 10y ago
    That information is available (historically) from the third-party voting scraper sites (e.g. http://ohiovoters.info/ http://ohiovoters.info/). If there is a way of preventing it from being collected, I'm not sure how to do it.
SapphireSun 10y ago
Anonymous voting ("the australian ballot") doesn't exist to protect you from your public opinions. It exists to allow people who don't want to express their opinions in public from being coerced when they make their choice and to negate the power of bribery to influence elections. If no one can prove you voted for the right candidate, it's less enticing to hand people money to do so. American elections weren't secret in the past. This was a fix that was put in to throw a wrench in political machines ("vote for this guy or I'll break your legs") and quid pro quo fueled campaigns ("here's $100 bucks if you vote for my candidate").

Then perhaps you'd like to get rid of anonymous voting?

by hueving 10y ago

Then perhaps you'd like to get rid of anonymous voting?

tptacek 10y ago

No, I would not like to get rid of anonymous voting. Ask a simple question, get a simple answer.

hueving 10y ago
But you would like to punish people who are publicly backing a candidate. Not very consistent.
- tptacek 10y ago
  You'll have to do a better job of connecting those dots for me, because I do not see the connection between criticizing someone for endorsing a member of the Trump campaign and working to eliminate the anonymous vote. Incidentally? Elimination of the anonymous vote? That's something Peter Thiel probably actually believes in. He believes democracy is a failed experiment, and the extension of the franchise to women harmed society. He believes, in general, that more voting worsens outcomes.
- bbctol 10y ago
  Can you not see the difference between judging people for their public positions and making it illegal for their positions to be private?

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tedmiston 10y ago

Voter registration is already public in many states (and searchable online). While that doesn't include actual votes, it does include party affiliation which is obviously a strong indicator. Beyond some extreme exceptions, you can't even opt-out of being listed in this publicly searchable database which includes your home address as well. In other words, voting is hardly anonymous even today. And even that doesn't account for recent massive scale (191M people) leaks [1]. https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3yinij/entire_us_voter_registration_record_leaks_191/ https://www.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/3yinij/entire_us_v...

hueving 10y ago
You don't have to put a political affiliation.
- tedmiston 10y ago
  That information is available (historically) from the third-party voting scraper sites (e.g. http://ohiovoters.info/ http://ohiovoters.info/). If there is a way of preventing it from being collected, I'm not sure how to do it.

SapphireSun 10y ago

Anonymous voting ("the australian ballot") doesn't exist to protect you from your public opinions. It exists to allow people who don't want to express their opinions in public from being coerced when they make their choice and to negate the power of bribery to influence elections. If no one can prove you voted for the right candidate, it's less enticing to hand people money to do so. American elections weren't secret in the past. This was a fix that was put in to throw a wrench in political machines ("vote for this guy or I'll break your legs") and quid pro quo fueled campaigns ("here's $100 bucks if you vote for my candidate").