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> The entire Trump ideology is based on a belief that "real Americans" are being oppressed by a sinister "global elite". Yes there is in fact a campaign of eli

> The entire Trump ideology is based on a belief that "real Americans" are being oppressed by a sinister "global elite". Yes there is in fact a campaign of elites against Trump, in case you don't believe that I suggest taking a look at the recent wikileaks.

toomuchtodo 10y ago
Or how Clinton has a disdain for your average American voter? And plans to push through trade agreements that hurt the very Americans whose vote she's trying to get? I can't imagine why half the country won't vote for her. I know minorities and women who will still vote for Trump after everything that has happened; perhaps it'd be wise if you dislike Trump to understand why that is and what has brought us to this point instead of putting your head in the sand.
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rfrey 10y ago
What are Trump and Thiel if not "elites"? So it seems the elites are campaigning against each other.
- jessaustin 10y ago
  At times I've suspected this entire cacophony of anti-Trump vitriol was just a ploy to convince the plebes that he isn't one of TPTB... What would really change under Trump? Coke and Pepsi taste the same to me.
  - cerebrum 10y ago
    Change: no WW III. Seems good enough of a difference to me.
    - trdrake 10y ago
      The guy who "will end ISIS very, very quickly", and might just use nukes to do it? http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuclear-weapons-isis/ http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuclear-weapons-isis/
      - cerebrum 10y ago
        Putin's Warning Against Electing Hillary Clinton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gTt7Y1agU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gTt7Y1agU
        heartbreak 10y ago
        Thanks! I always appreciate an unbiased source like Putin to clear up matters of US politics.
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      It would take a very principled person to resist the various appeals of the military-industrial complex. Trump is not that person. All it will take is a couple of ex-generals making the rounds on Sunday morning saying, "if Trump weren't such a pussy he'd be bombing the Syrians already!"
  - burkaman 10y ago
    How can you be sure that Trump is lying about every single thing he says? Every position he claims to hold would be a massive change. Most of Clinton's positions are "everything is pretty good, just need a few tweaks".
- cerebrum 10y ago
  Elites relative to whom? Clinton has decades in the top echelons of power besides being married to an ex-POTUS so I guess it is hard to be more elite on a global scale. Trump might be elite compared to the average Joe on the street but he has no political history comparable to Clinton. And the biggest issue of all: Trump seems to be the best candidate to avoid WW III.
- mafribe 10y ago
  The socialist tradition has a suitable term: "class traitor". The ruling class is ruling, in substantial parts because they are better at cooperating than other classes (and are good at seeding discord in other classes). One aspect of ruling class cooperation is ruthlessly punishing their own class traitors. I suspect that is part of what the whole saga is about.
  - jshevek 10y ago
    In a sea of partisan squabble, you've said something truly worthy of thought. This has analogs in everything from organized crime to the interactions of genes.
  - abecedarius 10y ago
    That's interesting. What are some other examples of ruling-class traitors getting punished? P.S. I hate having to add a disclaimer like this, but: I'm genuinely interested.
    - Perceval 10y ago
      I don't have an example of one getting punished, but I do recall this book, Traitor to His Class: The Privileged Life and Radical Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt: https://www.amazon.com/Traitor-His-Class-Privileged-Presidency/dp/0307277941 https://www.amazon.com/Traitor-His-Class-Privileged-Presiden...
    - jessaustin 10y ago
      Insider trading prosecutions are usually examples of either this phenomenon or the related effort to keep upstarts out of the executive class. Only certain people may steal from investors in public firms.

toomuchtodo 10y ago

Or how Clinton has a disdain for your average American voter? And plans to push through trade agreements that hurt the very Americans whose vote she's trying to get? I can't imagine why half the country won't vote for her. I know minorities and women who will still vote for Trump after everything that has happened; perhaps it'd be wise if you dislike Trump to understand why that is and what has brought us to this point instead of putting your head in the sand.

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rfrey 10y ago

What are Trump and Thiel if not "elites"? So it seems the elites are campaigning against each other.

jessaustin 10y ago
At times I've suspected this entire cacophony of anti-Trump vitriol was just a ploy to convince the plebes that he isn't one of TPTB... What would really change under Trump? Coke and Pepsi taste the same to me.
- cerebrum 10y ago
  Change: no WW III. Seems good enough of a difference to me.
  - trdrake 10y ago
    The guy who "will end ISIS very, very quickly", and might just use nukes to do it? http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuclear-weapons-isis/ http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/trump-nuclear-weapons-isis/
    - cerebrum 10y ago
      Putin's Warning Against Electing Hillary Clinton: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gTt7Y1agU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4gTt7Y1agU
      - heartbreak 10y ago
        Thanks! I always appreciate an unbiased source like Putin to clear up matters of US politics.
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    It would take a very principled person to resist the various appeals of the military-industrial complex. Trump is not that person. All it will take is a couple of ex-generals making the rounds on Sunday morning saying, "if Trump weren't such a pussy he'd be bombing the Syrians already!"
- burkaman 10y ago
  How can you be sure that Trump is lying about every single thing he says? Every position he claims to hold would be a massive change. Most of Clinton's positions are "everything is pretty good, just need a few tweaks".
cerebrum 10y ago
Elites relative to whom? Clinton has decades in the top echelons of power besides being married to an ex-POTUS so I guess it is hard to be more elite on a global scale. Trump might be elite compared to the average Joe on the street but he has no political history comparable to Clinton. And the biggest issue of all: Trump seems to be the best candidate to avoid WW III.
mafribe 10y ago
The socialist tradition has a suitable term: "class traitor". The ruling class is ruling, in substantial parts because they are better at cooperating than other classes (and are good at seeding discord in other classes). One aspect of ruling class cooperation is ruthlessly punishing their own class traitors. I suspect that is part of what the whole saga is about.
- jshevek 10y ago
  In a sea of partisan squabble, you've said something truly worthy of thought. This has analogs in everything from organized crime to the interactions of genes.
- abecedarius 10y ago
  That's interesting. What are some other examples of ruling-class traitors getting punished? P.S. I hate having to add a disclaimer like this, but: I'm genuinely interested.
  - Perceval 10y ago
    I don't have an example of one getting punished, but I do recall this book, Traitor to His Class: The Privileged Life and Radical Presidency of Franklin Delano Roosevelt: https://www.amazon.com/Traitor-His-Class-Privileged-Presidency/dp/0307277941 https://www.amazon.com/Traitor-His-Class-Privileged-Presiden...
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    Insider trading prosecutions are usually examples of either this phenomenon or the related effort to keep upstarts out of the executive class. Only certain people may steal from investors in public firms.