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So Trump has a lot of problems, but it looks like he is not corrupt. Hillary, on the other hand, is fully with corruption. I really don't like/agree with YC pri

by meira 10y ago

So Trump has a lot of problems, but it looks like he is not corrupt. Hillary, on the other hand, is fully with corruption. I really don't like/agree with YC priorities (I'm not an American, which is even more disturbing to see someone that laughs about killing others country president been endorsed/elected)

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sagichmal 10y ago
Are you joking? Trump is _transparently_ corrupt. The Trump Foundation exists to serve as a tax shield, funneling donor money to Trump and his family personally. C.f. the allegations of corruption toward Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, which are laughably indistinct and incomparable. If corruption is what you care about, then Hillary Clinton is _inarguably_ the superior candidate.
- msandford 10y ago
  So stuff against Trump is proven 100% for reals and stuff against Clinton is mere allegations? Hmmmm. I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but I do find it fascinating how easily people manage to rationalize things. I'm sure there are TONS of folks who would decry a person for being a climate denier who would then perform the exact same mental process to 'overlook' whatever problems exist with the Clintons.
  - sagichmal 10y ago
    > So stuff against Trump is proven 100% for reals and stuff against Clinton is mere allegations? Hmmmm. Well there's obviously a spectrum but I think it's absolutely inarguable that Trump's foundation is a tax dodge and that Trump is transparently corrupt; and I think at worst you can say that Clinton made some bad choices, but yes absolutely the allegations against her are without proof. > I'm sure there are TONS of folks who would decry a person for being a climate denier who would then perform the exact same mental process to 'overlook' whatever problems exist with the Clintons. Of course nobody is overlooking problems, and your attempts at equivocation are transparently concern trolling. But it's pretty inarguable that "whatever problems exist with the Clintons" are speculative and completely incomparable with "whatever problems exist with Trump".
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    - msandford 10y ago
      > think at worst you can say that Clinton made some bad choices The Director of the FBI said exactly that, but that there was no malicious intent and thus no crime. Why an investigative body is making a recommendation about charges notwithstanding, when it comes to national secrets, nobody else gets the benefit of the doubt re: mens rea, it's generally interpreted as strict liability. Why did former Secretary Clinton get a seemingly free pass on this one, while members of the rank-and-file military do not? I suspect it's because they're in the rank-and-file. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinton-defense-in-classified-information-cases http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinto...
      - meira 10y ago
        I don't understand how Americans don't care about Hillary's lies. (actually, I do, it's called mass media manipulation, but you guys, of all modern societies in the world, should be one of few capable of fighting it). Hillary Clinton simple says that she made a mistake and nobody asks why did she used a private email server? I think this is a huge trap, but would things go a little better for Trump if he admits that it was all a misunderstanding and he is a reformed man now?
        msandford 10y ago
        It's basically just like Carl Sagan said: “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-lessons-of-history-is-this-if http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-les... EDIT: That said, I don't NECESSARILY believe that the Clintons have absolutely, for sure been up to no good. But I am a little suspicious, given the facts that the FBI found. There's plenty of stuff that they could do to exonerate themselves. I just suspect it won't happen, especially since the FBI has seen fit to say "no bad intent so no crime"
smt88 10y ago
How is it corrupt to laugh about killing a dictator/murderer in a publicly-known military action? It might be in bad taste, but it's not corrupt. Also, you should read more about Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/06/how-donald-trump-made-it-look-like-he-was-bribing-the-attorney-general-of-florida/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/06/ho...
- meira 10y ago
  The funny thing is that the same corrupt media that paints others presidents as "dictators" and "murderers" is helping Killary, painting Trump with tons of colors.

by meira 10y ago

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sagichmal 10y ago

Are you joking? Trump is _transparently_ corrupt. The Trump Foundation exists to serve as a tax shield, funneling donor money to Trump and his family personally. C.f. the allegations of corruption toward Clinton and the Clinton Foundation, which are laughably indistinct and incomparable. If corruption is what you care about, then Hillary Clinton is _inarguably_ the superior candidate.

msandford 10y ago
So stuff against Trump is proven 100% for reals and stuff against Clinton is mere allegations? Hmmmm. I'm not a Trump supporter by any stretch of the imagination, but I do find it fascinating how easily people manage to rationalize things. I'm sure there are TONS of folks who would decry a person for being a climate denier who would then perform the exact same mental process to 'overlook' whatever problems exist with the Clintons.
- sagichmal 10y ago
  > So stuff against Trump is proven 100% for reals and stuff against Clinton is mere allegations? Hmmmm. Well there's obviously a spectrum but I think it's absolutely inarguable that Trump's foundation is a tax dodge and that Trump is transparently corrupt; and I think at worst you can say that Clinton made some bad choices, but yes absolutely the allegations against her are without proof. > I'm sure there are TONS of folks who would decry a person for being a climate denier who would then perform the exact same mental process to 'overlook' whatever problems exist with the Clintons. Of course nobody is overlooking problems, and your attempts at equivocation are transparently concern trolling. But it's pretty inarguable that "whatever problems exist with the Clintons" are speculative and completely incomparable with "whatever problems exist with Trump".
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  - msandford 10y ago
    > think at worst you can say that Clinton made some bad choices The Director of the FBI said exactly that, but that there was no malicious intent and thus no crime. Why an investigative body is making a recommendation about charges notwithstanding, when it comes to national secrets, nobody else gets the benefit of the doubt re: mens rea, it's generally interpreted as strict liability. Why did former Secretary Clinton get a seemingly free pass on this one, while members of the rank-and-file military do not? I suspect it's because they're in the rank-and-file. http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinton-defense-in-classified-information-cases http://thehill.com/policy/defense/292064-troops-using-clinto...
    - meira 10y ago
      I don't understand how Americans don't care about Hillary's lies. (actually, I do, it's called mass media manipulation, but you guys, of all modern societies in the world, should be one of few capable of fighting it). Hillary Clinton simple says that she made a mistake and nobody asks why did she used a private email server? I think this is a huge trap, but would things go a little better for Trump if he admits that it was all a misunderstanding and he is a reformed man now?
      - msandford 10y ago
        It's basically just like Carl Sagan said: “One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.” http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-lessons-of-history-is-this-if http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/85171-one-of-the-saddest-les... EDIT: That said, I don't NECESSARILY believe that the Clintons have absolutely, for sure been up to no good. But I am a little suspicious, given the facts that the FBI found. There's plenty of stuff that they could do to exonerate themselves. I just suspect it won't happen, especially since the FBI has seen fit to say "no bad intent so no crime"

smt88 10y ago

How is it corrupt to laugh about killing a dictator/murderer in a publicly-known military action? It might be in bad taste, but it's not corrupt. Also, you should read more about Trump: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/06/how-donald-trump-made-it-look-like-he-was-bribing-the-attorney-general-of-florida/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/06/ho...

meira 10y ago
The funny thing is that the same corrupt media that paints others presidents as "dictators" and "murderers" is helping Killary, painting Trump with tons of colors.