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Please, do the right thing, and don't take it down again. https://www.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/582t9v/y_combinator_censors_marco_arment_for_his_opinion/ h

Please, do the right thing, and don't take it down again. https://www.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/582t9v/y_combinator_censors_marco_arment_for_his_opinion/ https://www.reddit.com/r/startups/comments/582t9v/y_combinat...

akhatri_aus 10y ago
This doesn't belong on HN. People should be allowed to make their political choices as they please & as is their right to do so. It isn't YC voting in the election and YC doesn't compel people to vote a certain way.
kybernetyk 10y ago
Taking down or not is up to the site operator. HN is a privately run site. The operators can decide which content they want or don't to see on their site. So there's no "right thing" here, really.
- simonbarker87 10y ago
  Yes it is but there is some irony that HN are ok to defend Theil based on freedom of speech but they're are not extending the same courtesy to Marco for criticizing them about it. Seems HN maybe as thin skinned as Trump.
  - kybernetyk 10y ago
    Well, Marco is free to publish his blog. At least I didn't see any HN operatives swooping in and taking his blog offline ;) Freedom of speech protects you from the government. It does not force someone to publish your blog posts on their website if they dont' want to.
ptaipale 10y ago
This still shouldn't be on HN. I'm not from the US and I am totally fed up with both pro and anti Trump/Clinton propaganda that spews out to cover all of the world, and I don't want to see it here, at least particularly when it's just "stories about politics, or crime, or sports" and particularly not "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." as the HN guidelines put it. I'd rather fight for Thiel's right to say and work for his opinion.
- T2_t2 10y ago
  I'd agree, with a tiny caveat. I couldn't care less about US politics, think neither candidate is likely to change much that affects me or mine, and think the US president's power is vastly overstated. Where I disagree is that I think the real problem lies in the reactionary posts, like Pao's Medium post and this one. These I think are a very real threat to me and mine. These ideas - that things that aren't focussed on hacking code together to create businesses, that distract not from adjacent to the topic but from within, these are the problem. That's the crazy part here to me. Forget the politics, the people reacting to politics and wanting things in the HN sphere to change are (trying?) to have very real impacts on things I care about, and none of that is, AFAICT, in any way shape or form positive. Trump, Clinton and the US election hasn't helped one person hack together any code, and neither has the post linked to, but only one of them is part of the industry that is directly involved in hacking together any code, and that part, that part is the issue.
- thatswrong0 10y ago
  He certainly has the right to his opinion, just as people here have the right to critize his opinion. And apparently enough people think that it should be on HN that the topic continues to appear even after flaggings.
jrs235 10y ago
If the community flags it, the community flags it. I haven't flagged any of these Thiel stories until now. I've seen enough the past few days. I get what people feel, think, and [don't] support. I don't care to keep reading this over and over again.

akhatri_aus 10y ago

This doesn't belong on HN. People should be allowed to make their political choices as they please & as is their right to do so. It isn't YC voting in the election and YC doesn't compel people to vote a certain way.

kybernetyk 10y ago

Taking down or not is up to the site operator. HN is a privately run site. The operators can decide which content they want or don't to see on their site. So there's no "right thing" here, really.

simonbarker87 10y ago
Yes it is but there is some irony that HN are ok to defend Theil based on freedom of speech but they're are not extending the same courtesy to Marco for criticizing them about it. Seems HN maybe as thin skinned as Trump.
- kybernetyk 10y ago
  Well, Marco is free to publish his blog. At least I didn't see any HN operatives swooping in and taking his blog offline ;) Freedom of speech protects you from the government. It does not force someone to publish your blog posts on their website if they dont' want to.

ptaipale 10y ago

This still shouldn't be on HN. I'm not from the US and I am totally fed up with both pro and anti Trump/Clinton propaganda that spews out to cover all of the world, and I don't want to see it here, at least particularly when it's just "stories about politics, or crime, or sports" and particularly not "evidence of some interesting new phenomenon." as the HN guidelines put it. I'd rather fight for Thiel's right to say and work for his opinion.

T2_t2 10y ago
I'd agree, with a tiny caveat. I couldn't care less about US politics, think neither candidate is likely to change much that affects me or mine, and think the US president's power is vastly overstated. Where I disagree is that I think the real problem lies in the reactionary posts, like Pao's Medium post and this one. These I think are a very real threat to me and mine. These ideas - that things that aren't focussed on hacking code together to create businesses, that distract not from adjacent to the topic but from within, these are the problem. That's the crazy part here to me. Forget the politics, the people reacting to politics and wanting things in the HN sphere to change are (trying?) to have very real impacts on things I care about, and none of that is, AFAICT, in any way shape or form positive. Trump, Clinton and the US election hasn't helped one person hack together any code, and neither has the post linked to, but only one of them is part of the industry that is directly involved in hacking together any code, and that part, that part is the issue.
thatswrong0 10y ago
He certainly has the right to his opinion, just as people here have the right to critize his opinion. And apparently enough people think that it should be on HN that the topic continues to appear even after flaggings.

jrs235 10y ago

If the community flags it, the community flags it. I haven't flagged any of these Thiel stories until now. I've seen enough the past few days. I get what people feel, think, and [don't] support. I don't care to keep reading this over and over again.