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I don't understand this culture. So people hate Trump, that's not a shocker. But many would have taken Thiel's advice without a problem a few weeks / months ago

I don't understand this culture. So people hate Trump, that's not a shocker. But many would have taken Thiel's advice without a problem a few weeks / months ago. Now, because he wants to donate to a candidate many find reprehensible, it's time to throw away the person Peter Thiel? Can he no longer give good startup advice because he supports Trump today? Is he no longer "redeem-able" to the point where we need to ruin him and whatever he's a part of? Hate Trump all you want. But if you're going to pretend you're inclusive don't go around throwing people away because you don't like their views. That makes you an exclusive organization. Learn from those who do not share the same opinions. "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that" - Martin Luther King Jr

fatbird 10y ago
Nothing about a general commitment to being inclusive requires one to be uncritically inclusive, or to treat tolerance as some kind of macho posturing where you demonstrate that you're welcoming of the most obnoxious other you can find. But the make sure that the hidden premise is fleshed out: groups promoting inclusivity are promoting inclusivity for groups considered less powerful, less included, less accepted than is the norm. It's about elevating those who need it. Peter Thiel isn't powerless and doesn't need help getting what he wants.
solipsism 10y ago
It's pretty funny you post an MLKJr quote. Have you never heard of the Montgomery Bus Boycott? The only weapon that we have in our hands this evening is the weapon of protest.
narrator 10y ago
Thiel has enough money that people will politely make excuses for him because they need his money. Left, right or Trump, it's all about the money folks. The money people pick people with the right ideology to run things and it all trickles down though the company culture. Everyone would change what they believed in 5 minutes if it came down from on high and their job was on the line. Heck, most people are living paycheck to paycheck and very close to living out of their car. They'll jump and down like a chicken to keep their job if need be.
- allendoerfer 10y ago
  > Thiel has enough money that people will politely make excuses for him because they need his money. That's truly "fuck you money". It's not about not having to work, it is about not having to care and still be socially accepted.
leohutson 10y ago
If Thiel was a direct supporter of David Duke for instance, then I think (hope?) most commentators here would be calling for him to be dissociated from ycombinator and "ruined" or marginalised to whatever degree was legal I'm sure. Many people think Trump crossed a line at some point a while ago that points him in the same camp as extremist groups like white-nationalists, and outside of legitimate political discourse.
fullofit 10y ago
It's not about differences in political views. I'm not going to respect you if you support racists and misogynists.
- AvenueIngres 10y ago
  Did you hear that Sam's grandma is a Trump supporter? What are you waiting for? Cut ties with HN, YC etc. Quick!

fatbird 10y ago

Nothing about a general commitment to being inclusive requires one to be uncritically inclusive, or to treat tolerance as some kind of macho posturing where you demonstrate that you're welcoming of the most obnoxious other you can find. But the make sure that the hidden premise is fleshed out: groups promoting inclusivity are promoting inclusivity for groups considered less powerful, less included, less accepted than is the norm. It's about elevating those who need it. Peter Thiel isn't powerless and doesn't need help getting what he wants.

solipsism 10y ago

It's pretty funny you post an MLKJr quote. Have you never heard of the Montgomery Bus Boycott? The only weapon that we have in our hands this evening is the weapon of protest.

narrator 10y ago

Thiel has enough money that people will politely make excuses for him because they need his money. Left, right or Trump, it's all about the money folks. The money people pick people with the right ideology to run things and it all trickles down though the company culture. Everyone would change what they believed in 5 minutes if it came down from on high and their job was on the line. Heck, most people are living paycheck to paycheck and very close to living out of their car. They'll jump and down like a chicken to keep their job if need be.

allendoerfer 10y ago
> Thiel has enough money that people will politely make excuses for him because they need his money. That's truly "fuck you money". It's not about not having to work, it is about not having to care and still be socially accepted.

leohutson 10y ago

If Thiel was a direct supporter of David Duke for instance, then I think (hope?) most commentators here would be calling for him to be dissociated from ycombinator and "ruined" or marginalised to whatever degree was legal I'm sure. Many people think Trump crossed a line at some point a while ago that points him in the same camp as extremist groups like white-nationalists, and outside of legitimate political discourse.

fullofit 10y ago

It's not about differences in political views. I'm not going to respect you if you support racists and misogynists.

AvenueIngres 10y ago
Did you hear that Sam's grandma is a Trump supporter? What are you waiting for? Cut ties with HN, YC etc. Quick!