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Well it depends on what version you believe. I think that first he wanted to ban Muslims, then Muslims from certain places, and then just people from certain pl

by plandis 10y ago

Well it depends on what version you believe. I think that first he wanted to ban Muslims, then Muslims from certain places, and then just people from certain places. I really think he actually wants to ban Muslims but he had to walk back a bit from that stance to appease people.

mc32 10y ago
If you were to ask me to divine what he thinks, I think he's areligious and could not care less --but he believes people will kneejerk against a stereotype. I think it's a calculated risk on his part, an unfortunate one. Still, I think he knows enough of them to know many he deals with have more in common with him than he does with Joe the Plummer but Joe and Jill the Plummers are his voters.
- solipsism 10y ago
  So you think we should all go by your interpretation of what he really means, instead of taking him at his word?
  - mc32 10y ago
    No, you may interpret him to mean what you want. You don't have to like him, I don't have to like him. I'm not going to part ways with someone because of who they vote. My partner and I seldom vote for the same candidate. They are free to vote their conscience. We don't have meet minds over this. Same here. Mr Thiel or Mr. Sanders can vote however they wish. Or you or me. What if I were a capitalist and a friend of mine were a communist and wanted to take everything I own away if her party took power, should I part ways over this? Should I shame her? Make sure no capitalist would hire her?
    - solipsism 10y ago
      Not doing business with a billionaire is not remotely comparable with actively preventing your (presumably non-billionaire) friend from getting a job. If you want to engage with people about this in a reasonable way, you need to understand this.
      - mc32 10y ago
        To me it's fundamentally about political freedom and freedom of expression. I would state, that if I ran a company, ideally, I would run it so that so long as people didn't violate any applicable laws while "on duty" and didn't work to actively affect the company negatively (violate company policies), whatever they did outside the company was their business (be it robbing liquor stores, beating old ladies with batons, etc.) it's up to society, the police, etc., to deal with extra-work activities of such person not me. I am simply renting their time to do a job --I'm not hiring them to impart my morality on them. I don't "own" them. They don't have to fit in "culturally". Here's the thing. People are all for these freedoms up until they think it's going to affect them in a way they don't want. Lots of people supported WikiLeaks ....till it looked like WikiLeaks would do things counter to their cause... So, people believe in their beliefs and support things based on their belief systems rather than the concepts of freedom of expression and political freedom, unfortunately.
        solipsism 10y ago
        Here you go again. Thiel didn't get fired. Do you not get that power dynamics matter? Firing someone for their politics is different from not doing business with them. Regardless, your "anyone who disagrees with me must be a hypocrite" approach to things is pretty shitty.

by plandis 10y ago

mc32 10y ago

If you were to ask me to divine what he thinks, I think he's areligious and could not care less --but he believes people will kneejerk against a stereotype. I think it's a calculated risk on his part, an unfortunate one. Still, I think he knows enough of them to know many he deals with have more in common with him than he does with Joe the Plummer but Joe and Jill the Plummers are his voters.

solipsism 10y ago
So you think we should all go by your interpretation of what he really means, instead of taking him at his word?
- mc32 10y ago
  No, you may interpret him to mean what you want. You don't have to like him, I don't have to like him. I'm not going to part ways with someone because of who they vote. My partner and I seldom vote for the same candidate. They are free to vote their conscience. We don't have meet minds over this. Same here. Mr Thiel or Mr. Sanders can vote however they wish. Or you or me. What if I were a capitalist and a friend of mine were a communist and wanted to take everything I own away if her party took power, should I part ways over this? Should I shame her? Make sure no capitalist would hire her?
  - solipsism 10y ago
    Not doing business with a billionaire is not remotely comparable with actively preventing your (presumably non-billionaire) friend from getting a job. If you want to engage with people about this in a reasonable way, you need to understand this.
    - mc32 10y ago
      To me it's fundamentally about political freedom and freedom of expression. I would state, that if I ran a company, ideally, I would run it so that so long as people didn't violate any applicable laws while "on duty" and didn't work to actively affect the company negatively (violate company policies), whatever they did outside the company was their business (be it robbing liquor stores, beating old ladies with batons, etc.) it's up to society, the police, etc., to deal with extra-work activities of such person not me. I am simply renting their time to do a job --I'm not hiring them to impart my morality on them. I don't "own" them. They don't have to fit in "culturally". Here's the thing. People are all for these freedoms up until they think it's going to affect them in a way they don't want. Lots of people supported WikiLeaks ....till it looked like WikiLeaks would do things counter to their cause... So, people believe in their beliefs and support things based on their belief systems rather than the concepts of freedom of expression and political freedom, unfortunately.
      - solipsism 10y ago
        Here you go again. Thiel didn't get fired. Do you not get that power dynamics matter? Firing someone for their politics is different from not doing business with them. Regardless, your "anyone who disagrees with me must be a hypocrite" approach to things is pretty shitty.