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Conservatives have a right to their own set of values, like anti-abortion, faith-based education issues, smaller government, reduced taxes, etc., and they have

Conservatives have a right to their own set of values, like anti-abortion, faith-based education issues, smaller government, reduced taxes, etc., and they have a right to back whatever candidate aligns with their values. I'm a liberal but it is amazing to me to read these types of articles, from other liberals with zero tolerance for the alternative viewpoint. There should not even be a decision to be made here. It takes all kinds of people or else it would not be America. It is not acceptable to persecute people based on their political choices.

ceejayoz 10y ago
Of course they have that right. Others have the right to criticize them for exercising it. The issue here is also not Trump's supposed conservatism (which I, frankly, doubt heavily), but that he brags about sexual assault and is advocating for some pretty fascist shit. YC states Trump's words would get him kicked out of YC. Color me baffled as to why spending over a million dollars to support those words isn't considered similarly bad (if not worse).
freshyill 10y ago
I think a lot of people would take issue with equating Trump's racist campaign with their conservative values.
idlewords 10y ago
Political debate in the US has traditionally taken place in a framework of shared values. Some of these are: you accept electoral defeat, you nominate people with a basic minimum of human decency, and overt bigotry is not acceptable. Within that framework, people have sharp disagreements over issues, some of them life-or-death (like abortion). But the framework is something that was sacrosanct, until this election. The problem many people, including conservatives, have with Trump is that he breaks basic norms around how our democracy should work, and represents a threat to it. That's why Thiel's vocal support for his candidacy is so troubling. It's not just a case of someone whose politics I disagree with, it's someone financing the destruction of the whole apparatus those politics take place within.
- trentmb 10y ago
  > and overt bigotry is not acceptable. I'm scared to ask- is this really true?
  - joshmn 10y ago
    I'd personally like to think we've gotten better as a society over the years.
    - trentmb 10y ago
      Clumsy on my part- I was asking historically.
      - joshmn 10y ago
        Pardoned!
  - youforpresident 10y ago
    is hidden bigotry more acceptable?
jshevek 10y ago
Thank you for posting this. I'm also a liberal, but when such politically divergent people as Ralph Nader and Rush Limbaugh are (shockingly) speaking out against the same kinds of social disease, it's time to take notice. Something has gone very wrong on the left.

ceejayoz 10y ago

Of course they have that right. Others have the right to criticize them for exercising it. The issue here is also not Trump's supposed conservatism (which I, frankly, doubt heavily), but that he brags about sexual assault and is advocating for some pretty fascist shit. YC states Trump's words would get him kicked out of YC. Color me baffled as to why spending over a million dollars to support those words isn't considered similarly bad (if not worse).

freshyill 10y ago

I think a lot of people would take issue with equating Trump's racist campaign with their conservative values.

idlewords 10y ago

Political debate in the US has traditionally taken place in a framework of shared values. Some of these are: you accept electoral defeat, you nominate people with a basic minimum of human decency, and overt bigotry is not acceptable. Within that framework, people have sharp disagreements over issues, some of them life-or-death (like abortion). But the framework is something that was sacrosanct, until this election. The problem many people, including conservatives, have with Trump is that he breaks basic norms around how our democracy should work, and represents a threat to it. That's why Thiel's vocal support for his candidacy is so troubling. It's not just a case of someone whose politics I disagree with, it's someone financing the destruction of the whole apparatus those politics take place within.

trentmb 10y ago
> and overt bigotry is not acceptable. I'm scared to ask- is this really true?
- joshmn 10y ago
  I'd personally like to think we've gotten better as a society over the years.
  - trentmb 10y ago
    Clumsy on my part- I was asking historically.
    - joshmn 10y ago
      Pardoned!
- youforpresident 10y ago
  is hidden bigotry more acceptable?

jshevek 10y ago

Thank you for posting this. I'm also a liberal, but when such politically divergent people as Ralph Nader and Rush Limbaugh are (shockingly) speaking out against the same kinds of social disease, it's time to take notice. Something has gone very wrong on the left.