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I noticed I got downvoted and now I'm terrible nervous I offended someone. I wish downvoters would comment (I have never downvoted anyone on any forum without a

by agentgt 10y ago

I noticed I got downvoted and now I'm terrible nervous I offended someone. I wish downvoters would comment (I have never downvoted anyone on any forum without a comment). I don't mind disagreement of opinion even if it deserves downvotes but I'm concerned if I offended anyone. All I meant is that the expectation of parents of the culture reference in the article might not entirely be the cause of the higher % of suicides.

chillacy 10y ago
I did not downvote you and as of right now you're comment seems to be hovering around positive points, but I do have some thoughts. Keep in mind that even though college aged AAs have higher than average suicide ideation, the suicide rate of all AAs is half the national average: http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-american/suicide.aspx http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-... In fact from the stats, being engaged in the AA community tends to reduce the likelihood of suicide. That aligns with what I've seen myself from my parents and my friend's parents.
- agentgt 10y ago
  But that goes against subtle hinting of the article of parenting being the cause of suicide. If it were parenting wouldn't suicide be high earlier as well (before college)? Maybe it isn't cultural within families but peer social groups that are setting the bar too high. I'm arguing the stress may not actually be from the parents but the desire to fit in with others in the group.
  - chillacy 10y ago
    Then I misunderstood your toplevel comment as "Asians are more comfortable with suicide culturally (insert samurai references here) therefore we can expect higher rates of suicide". My evidence against that was that AAs don't actually have higher than average suicide rates and that being part of the culture reduces suicide rates. Also since you mentioned catholics, you may be interested in this: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-church-attendance-suicide-20160629-snap-story.html http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-church-a...
    - agentgt 10y ago
      Yes that is why I was deeply concerned that my comment was interpreted as "samurai reference". I really regret mentioning catholics as I could see how it easily confuses even more. My overall point was the author seemed to be connecting too many dots and thus in my mind might make it less likely to be true. Originally I contemplated bringing up the the stereotypes of cultural conformity (as in some cultures are influenced by groups and deeply desire to be part of the group/conform) but this is a dangerous topic (regardless of being PC as it can quickly get heated). Peer conformity would certainly be less points to connect (cause/effect) than parents causing college aged AA's to commit suicide (regardless of ethnicity).

by agentgt 10y ago

chillacy 10y ago

I did not downvote you and as of right now you're comment seems to be hovering around positive points, but I do have some thoughts. Keep in mind that even though college aged AAs have higher than average suicide ideation, the suicide rate of all AAs is half the national average: http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-american/suicide.aspx http://www.apa.org/pi/oema/resources/ethnicity-health/asian-... In fact from the stats, being engaged in the AA community tends to reduce the likelihood of suicide. That aligns with what I've seen myself from my parents and my friend's parents.

agentgt 10y ago
But that goes against subtle hinting of the article of parenting being the cause of suicide. If it were parenting wouldn't suicide be high earlier as well (before college)? Maybe it isn't cultural within families but peer social groups that are setting the bar too high. I'm arguing the stress may not actually be from the parents but the desire to fit in with others in the group.
- chillacy 10y ago
  Then I misunderstood your toplevel comment as "Asians are more comfortable with suicide culturally (insert samurai references here) therefore we can expect higher rates of suicide". My evidence against that was that AAs don't actually have higher than average suicide rates and that being part of the culture reduces suicide rates. Also since you mentioned catholics, you may be interested in this: http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-church-attendance-suicide-20160629-snap-story.html http://www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-church-a...
  - agentgt 10y ago
    Yes that is why I was deeply concerned that my comment was interpreted as "samurai reference". I really regret mentioning catholics as I could see how it easily confuses even more. My overall point was the author seemed to be connecting too many dots and thus in my mind might make it less likely to be true. Originally I contemplated bringing up the the stereotypes of cultural conformity (as in some cultures are influenced by groups and deeply desire to be part of the group/conform) but this is a dangerous topic (regardless of being PC as it can quickly get heated). Peer conformity would certainly be less points to connect (cause/effect) than parents causing college aged AA's to commit suicide (regardless of ethnicity).