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I agree it's an impressive summary for sure. However, how does one bring forward the 43% that appears to agree so strongly with Trump there isn't really any co

by evo_9 10y ago

I agree it's an impressive summary for sure. However, how does one bring forward the 43% that appears to agree so strongly with Trump there isn't really any common ground to have a reasonable discussion around? How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated, and often proud of this fact, raised to believe all other races are a blight against life as they know it, and often are proud of this, truly believe global warming/climate change is a hoax? Etc etc. I'm not trying to be coy, I just think that fundamentally those that support Trump are different. My father is a huge fox news watching old-school Italian. He is a die-hard Trump supporter. He isn't educated, he isn't interested in learning why Trump is wrong. He isn't ever going to change his mind and when (hopefully) Trump loses, will be part of the 43% calling the election 'stolen'. I love the man, he is my father after-all, but I have noticed that he (a life-long Republican) simply doesn't have empathy for others the way I do. When I ask him would he rather have more homeless or no homeless, his first reply back was 'well how much is it going to cost?'. And this is how 'they' think, there is a distinct difference in how he, and i suspect most 'hardcore conservatives' view human life (unless of course it fits their pro-life agenda, then of course they are suddenly lovers of 'life' above all else). Money is more important to them, it always will be, and the idea of helping others is never going to be acceptable (unless, maybe they find themselves in a situation where they need help). I'm sorry to be so negative about this but I'm quite a bit older than most around here and in my experience it's a losing battle to try to convert anyone to a more reasonable position. The only thing that seems to help is more eduction, more exposure to diverse cultures, and generally not focusing only on one self above all else. But then look at Thiel, and then you have to wonder if it's something more. Empathy and Personality Disorders: http://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-self-love/empathy-and-personality-disorders/ http://www.healthyplace.com/personality-disorders/malignant-...

r_smart 10y ago
>How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated This is a myth. [0] >with someone that is uneducated, and often proud of this fact, raised to believe all other races are a blight against life as they know it, and often are proud of this, >I'm not trying to be coy I can assure you no one is about to accuse you of that :) [1] [0]: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=define+coy&oq=define+coy&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.1527j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define+coy&oq=define+coy&aqs...
- Locke1689 10y ago
  Link [0] States that they're not lower-income, not that they're educated.
  - r_smart 10y ago
    Indeed. How does education and income correlate though? We're talking about millions of people here, not a handful, so the chances of it being a bunch of above median high school drop-outs seems exceedingly unlikely, no?
551199 10y ago
> However, how does one bring forward the 43% that appears to agree so strongly with Trump there isn't really any common ground to have a reasonable discussion around? How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated. That someone isn't uneducated just because she/he doesn't align with one's thinking. The Economist: Where Donald Trump’s support really comes from: 'However, averaging out his support in all state primaries (where exit polling is available) shows that richer and better educated voters form as big a part of Mr Trump’s support base as those at the lower end of the income and education scales.'[0] [0]http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-14 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-c...
- Locke1689 10y ago
  That article is from the April primaries. Donald Trump's demographic support is much different now.
  - douche 10y ago
    Source? I'd legitimately be interested to see how it has changed. I haven't seen much movement in my particular bubble; it's the same people now as back then.
    - Locke1689 10y ago
      The Washington Post[0] has it broken down by demographics since June. As you can see, as of October 13th, Trump's only lead in education is among voters who have completed "some college", with Clinton having a huge lead among those with college degrees and postgraduate degrees. She even has a narrow lead among those with a high school education or less. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/the-demographic-groups-fueling-the-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...

by evo_9 10y ago

r_smart 10y ago

>How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated This is a myth. [0] >with someone that is uneducated, and often proud of this fact, raised to believe all other races are a blight against life as they know it, and often are proud of this, >I'm not trying to be coy I can assure you no one is about to accuse you of that :) [1] [0]: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-working-class-support/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-mythology-of-trumps-... [1]: https://www.google.com/search?q=define+coy&oq=define+coy&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j0l5.1527j0j9&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define+coy&oq=define+coy&aqs...

Locke1689 10y ago
Link [0] States that they're not lower-income, not that they're educated.
- r_smart 10y ago
  Indeed. How does education and income correlate though? We're talking about millions of people here, not a handful, so the chances of it being a bunch of above median high school drop-outs seems exceedingly unlikely, no?

551199 10y ago

> However, how does one bring forward the 43% that appears to agree so strongly with Trump there isn't really any common ground to have a reasonable discussion around? How do you go about working with someone that is uneducated. That someone isn't uneducated just because she/he doesn't align with one's thinking. The Economist: Where Donald Trump’s support really comes from: 'However, averaging out his support in all state primaries (where exit polling is available) shows that richer and better educated voters form as big a part of Mr Trump’s support base as those at the lower end of the income and education scales.'[0] [0]http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-chart-14 http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/04/daily-c...

Locke1689 10y ago
That article is from the April primaries. Donald Trump's demographic support is much different now.
- douche 10y ago
  Source? I'd legitimately be interested to see how it has changed. I haven't seen much movement in my particular bubble; it's the same people now as back then.
  - Locke1689 10y ago
    The Washington Post[0] has it broken down by demographics since June. As you can see, as of October 13th, Trump's only lead in education is among voters who have completed "some college", with Clinton having a huge lead among those with college degrees and postgraduate degrees. She even has a narrow lead among those with a high school education or less. [0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/the-demographic-groups-fueling-the-election/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-electi...