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No, I disagree. Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as Hillary or Obama is and sh

No, I disagree. Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as Hillary or Obama is and should be held against the same set of standards like every politician does and this notion that since he's novice in this field he deserves to get preferential treatment and be forgiven for all his mistakes and wrongdoings is bit disingenuous.

forgetsusername 10y ago
>Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as as Hillary or Obama is I hope you're kidding when you say he's as much a politician as Hilary. He has very limited political experience. She's been doing it for 30+ years. He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far. >this notion that since he's novice in this field he deserves to get preferential treatment and be forgiven for all his mistakes and wrongdoings is bit disingenuous. What preferential treatment are you talking about? Who said anything about "forgiving" him? I'm saying, "what on earth do you expect by nominating a TV personality"? I expect more from my politicians. Apparently you don't. Perhaps that's why your election is a mess?
- gotchange 10y ago
  I am the one here who's advocating for equal and fair treatment for both candidates not the usual prevailing one for Hillary and a more lenient and almost non-existent for Trump because he's a newbie to the world of politics. This is not a game. This is a real and serious national election for a superpower, and this levity when dealing with these matters is not helpful. Your position seems to be along those lines above. If not, please clarify.
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >usual prevailing one for Hillary and a more lenient and almost non-existent for Trump Unless your single source of news is the Trump sub-reddit, most of the mainstream media does nothing but rip Trump. >This is a real and serious national election for a superpower, and this levity when dealing with these matters is not helpful. Don't lecture me, my country isn't having this issue. You put a bizarre TV personality up for president, not me. Citizens get the government they deserve.
- vacri 10y ago
  To suggest that Trump has 'very limited' political experience when he's been rubbing shoulders with the country's political elites for a few decades is simply disingenuous. > Who said anything about "forgiving" him? ... I expect more from my politicians. gotchange's point is that some people give Trump a lower bar of expectations because he's an 'outsider' or 'new at this' - that difference in expectations is forgiving him to a certain degree. Like a handicap at sport. gotchange's whole point is about expecting more from politicians, and asking why the expectations are lowered on the Trump side.
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >To suggest that Trump has 'very limited' political experience when he's been rubbing shoulders with the country's political elites for a few decades is simply disingenuous. To argue that he's remotely as experienced as Hilary Clinton is simply disingenuous. >gotchange's whole point is about expecting more from politicians, and asking why the expectations are lowered on the Trump side. gotchange's whole point was that somehow, something (not sure what) is biased against Hilary here. Trump is being skewered about this on every channel, on every website. What more do you want? This is a massive scandal, and I'm sure there's more to come. >gotchange's point is that some people give Trump a lower bar of expectations because he's an 'outsider' or 'new at this' No, my expectations are lower for Trump because he has a history of being a buffoon. But you do realize there's a difference between "expectation" and "acceptance"? For what it's worth, I think they are both terrible candidates. I have no idea how Trump got this far, but I don't think there's another candidate that Hilary could have possibly beat.
    - vacri 10y ago
      > To argue that he's remotely as experienced as Hilary Clinton is simply disingenuous. No-one is saying that. I just said that he's not "very limited". > Trump is being skewered about this on every channel, on every website. What more do you want? ... my expectations are lower for Trump because ... realize there's a difference between "expectation" and "acceptance" The fact that despite all his mess, he is still a serious contender in the competition, and that means plenty of people are forgiving him and accepting him, despite the media coverage, and regardless of your personal opinion. It's actually a pretty shameful indictment on the American public, that so many of them support such a candidate.
- shard972 10y ago
  > He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing?
  - forgetsusername 10y ago
    >I'm not sure why that's a bad thing? Not saying it is.

forgetsusername 10y ago

>Trump is the Republican nominee for the 2016 US presidential elections which means that he's as much a politician as as Hillary or Obama is I hope you're kidding when you say he's as much a politician as Hilary. He has very limited political experience. She's been doing it for 30+ years. He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far. >this notion that since he's novice in this field he deserves to get preferential treatment and be forgiven for all his mistakes and wrongdoings is bit disingenuous. What preferential treatment are you talking about? Who said anything about "forgiving" him? I'm saying, "what on earth do you expect by nominating a TV personality"? I expect more from my politicians. Apparently you don't. Perhaps that's why your election is a mess?

gotchange 10y ago
I am the one here who's advocating for equal and fair treatment for both candidates not the usual prevailing one for Hillary and a more lenient and almost non-existent for Trump because he's a newbie to the world of politics. This is not a game. This is a real and serious national election for a superpower, and this levity when dealing with these matters is not helpful. Your position seems to be along those lines above. If not, please clarify.
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >usual prevailing one for Hillary and a more lenient and almost non-existent for Trump Unless your single source of news is the Trump sub-reddit, most of the mainstream media does nothing but rip Trump. >This is a real and serious national election for a superpower, and this levity when dealing with these matters is not helpful. Don't lecture me, my country isn't having this issue. You put a bizarre TV personality up for president, not me. Citizens get the government they deserve.
vacri 10y ago
To suggest that Trump has 'very limited' political experience when he's been rubbing shoulders with the country's political elites for a few decades is simply disingenuous. > Who said anything about "forgiving" him? ... I expect more from my politicians. gotchange's point is that some people give Trump a lower bar of expectations because he's an 'outsider' or 'new at this' - that difference in expectations is forgiving him to a certain degree. Like a handicap at sport. gotchange's whole point is about expecting more from politicians, and asking why the expectations are lowered on the Trump side.
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >To suggest that Trump has 'very limited' political experience when he's been rubbing shoulders with the country's political elites for a few decades is simply disingenuous. To argue that he's remotely as experienced as Hilary Clinton is simply disingenuous. >gotchange's whole point is about expecting more from politicians, and asking why the expectations are lowered on the Trump side. gotchange's whole point was that somehow, something (not sure what) is biased against Hilary here. Trump is being skewered about this on every channel, on every website. What more do you want? This is a massive scandal, and I'm sure there's more to come. >gotchange's point is that some people give Trump a lower bar of expectations because he's an 'outsider' or 'new at this' No, my expectations are lower for Trump because he has a history of being a buffoon. But you do realize there's a difference between "expectation" and "acceptance"? For what it's worth, I think they are both terrible candidates. I have no idea how Trump got this far, but I don't think there's another candidate that Hilary could have possibly beat.
  - vacri 10y ago
    > To argue that he's remotely as experienced as Hilary Clinton is simply disingenuous. No-one is saying that. I just said that he's not "very limited". > Trump is being skewered about this on every channel, on every website. What more do you want? ... my expectations are lower for Trump because ... realize there's a difference between "expectation" and "acceptance" The fact that despite all his mess, he is still a serious contender in the competition, and that means plenty of people are forgiving him and accepting him, despite the media coverage, and regardless of your personal opinion. It's actually a pretty shameful indictment on the American public, that so many of them support such a candidate.
shard972 10y ago
> He's a candidate, but has held precisely zero public offices thus far. I'm not sure why that's a bad thing?
- forgetsusername 10y ago
  >I'm not sure why that's a bad thing? Not saying it is.