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No he isn't. Since Trump has donated to the Clinton Foundation (edit: and Hillary's senate and presidential campaigns), does that mean that he is effectively sa

No he isn't. Since Trump has donated to the Clinton Foundation (edit: and Hillary's senate and presidential campaigns), does that mean that he is effectively saying everything that Hillary is saying? Does buying an album mean I agree with every lyric on it? If I donate to someone who then incites violence, can I be prosecuted? Also, the Supreme Court does not believe money is speech. If they did, campaign contribution limits would be obviously unconstitutional.

adrr 10y ago
Clinton foundation is a charity that initiatives include preventing Malaria, Obesity, HIV/AIDS, poverty etc.
- burkaman 10y ago
  I understand. I'm just making the point that donating to Clinton obviously doesn't mean you are saying everything Clinton has ever said.
CoryG89 10y ago
A few points: 1. Donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to the Clinton campaign. 2. Buying an album is not the same as donating money to a campaign or voting, both of which can meaningfully affect a large number of other people, unlike buying an album. 3. If you knowingly fund criminal operations without actually committing said crimes yourself you can definitely be held accountable for it by the law. 4. The US Supreme Court did rule that donating money is a form of free speech in Buckley v. Valeo, but this doesn't imply that free speech is limitless. As with other forms of speech, Congress has the power to place reasonable limits on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo
- burkaman 10y ago
  1. He has donated to her campaigns as well, several times. 2. If money that supports speech is equivalent to making that speech, isn't this just a matter of degree? 3. I understand. Doesn't my specific example seem absurd, though? 4. But there are many more limitations on money than there are on speech. There is no limit on speech in support of a campaign. There is a limit on money in support of a campaign. Is that not enough evidence that money and speech are not equivalent, at least legally?
  - CoryG89 10y ago
    > There is no limit on speech in support of a campaign. What about yelling "fire" in a crowded polling place? :P
orbitur 10y ago
Donating to a politician's charity and donating to a politician's campaign are only similar in that money is being donated.
- burkaman 10y ago
  Ok, he has donated to her senate and presidential campaigns as well. Just not this latest campaign, obviously.

adrr 10y ago

Clinton foundation is a charity that initiatives include preventing Malaria, Obesity, HIV/AIDS, poverty etc.

burkaman 10y ago
I understand. I'm just making the point that donating to Clinton obviously doesn't mean you are saying everything Clinton has ever said.

CoryG89 10y ago

A few points: 1. Donating to the Clinton Foundation is not the same as donating to the Clinton campaign. 2. Buying an album is not the same as donating money to a campaign or voting, both of which can meaningfully affect a large number of other people, unlike buying an album. 3. If you knowingly fund criminal operations without actually committing said crimes yourself you can definitely be held accountable for it by the law. 4. The US Supreme Court did rule that donating money is a form of free speech in Buckley v. Valeo, but this doesn't imply that free speech is limitless. As with other forms of speech, Congress has the power to place reasonable limits on it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo

burkaman 10y ago
1. He has donated to her campaigns as well, several times. 2. If money that supports speech is equivalent to making that speech, isn't this just a matter of degree? 3. I understand. Doesn't my specific example seem absurd, though? 4. But there are many more limitations on money than there are on speech. There is no limit on speech in support of a campaign. There is a limit on money in support of a campaign. Is that not enough evidence that money and speech are not equivalent, at least legally?
- CoryG89 10y ago
  > There is no limit on speech in support of a campaign. What about yelling "fire" in a crowded polling place? :P

orbitur 10y ago

Donating to a politician's charity and donating to a politician's campaign are only similar in that money is being donated.

burkaman 10y ago
Ok, he has donated to her senate and presidential campaigns as well. Just not this latest campaign, obviously.