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I think that all you can assume with donations is that the statement is "I think that this is the best candidate" instead of "I endorse everything that this per

by tdb7893 10y ago

I think that all you can assume with donations is that the statement is "I think that this is the best candidate" instead of "I endorse everything that this person says". I would then think that it is reasonable to not hold a donor responsible for everything that the person they donated to says

TillE 10y ago
That's just as delusional as the people who gush over Hillary for her social justice stances, but get very angry when you bring up her hawkishness. That's not how it works. You vote for / donate to the entire politician. You can't elect half a President.
- ocdtrekkie 10y ago
  It's basically impossible to select a President you 100% agree with, unless you're voting for yourself.
  - zanny 10y ago
    And it remains your decision how much of your own personal politics you are willing to sacrifice in exchange for a candidate more likely to win. For a lot of people, this year, you are basically on a scale from yourself with no chance to the major nominees with at least 99.9% of the chance and almost nothing you agree with.
  - danielcampos93 10y ago
    Not even on good days do I even come close to 100% agreeing with myself
  - odonnellryan 10y ago
    True, but presidents (on average) get a remarkable percentage of their policies passed in some form. Maybe you don't support 90% of what Donald or Hillary say, but you have to be careful: it's almost guaranteed that at least something of that 90% is going to happen. Also, there are varying degrees of agree-ability. I do not agree with many of Hillary's policies, but there aren't any that I would take a firm stance against. Most of Donald's policies are different: I don't agree with them, and I believe it'd be awful if they were to actually happen.
    - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
      But for these people that are still supporting Trump, they consider that avoiding 90% of Hillary's platform worth the cost of Trump. Bear in mind, when Nate Silver pointed out that Trump would win if only men could vote, women (a small number, mind you) were tweeting they'd gladly give up their right to vote if it got Trump elected. You have to understand that that is how some people feel about Hillary. That losing their own vote forever, for their entire gender, would be worth it to them to keep her out of office.
      - odonnellryan 10y ago
        > But for these people that are still supporting Trump, they consider that avoiding 90% of Hillary's platform worth the cost of Trump. I think the problem is that's not true. From what I've read, people don't support a candidate because they agree or disagree with the opposition on real-terms. They support because of "fake terms." I consider these fake terms to be one I hear a lot from Trump supporters: "Hillary Clinton wants to take our guns away." > women (a small number, mind you) were tweeting they'd gladly give up their right to vote if it got Trump elected. There are plenty of women that think women shouldn't vote, regardless of Trump! There are men who think men shouldn't vote, etc.. etc.. fortunately, the internet gives them a platform: unfortunately, sometimes these groups aren't keen on reason.
sp527 10y ago
Ordinarily, I might be more inclined to agree with you, but (as even sama seems to recognize) this is far from an ordinary 'vote my issues' kind of election. This is a more holistic matter of core principles.

by tdb7893 10y ago

TillE 10y ago

That's just as delusional as the people who gush over Hillary for her social justice stances, but get very angry when you bring up her hawkishness. That's not how it works. You vote for / donate to the entire politician. You can't elect half a President.

ocdtrekkie 10y ago
It's basically impossible to select a President you 100% agree with, unless you're voting for yourself.
- zanny 10y ago
  And it remains your decision how much of your own personal politics you are willing to sacrifice in exchange for a candidate more likely to win. For a lot of people, this year, you are basically on a scale from yourself with no chance to the major nominees with at least 99.9% of the chance and almost nothing you agree with.
- danielcampos93 10y ago
  Not even on good days do I even come close to 100% agreeing with myself
- odonnellryan 10y ago
  True, but presidents (on average) get a remarkable percentage of their policies passed in some form. Maybe you don't support 90% of what Donald or Hillary say, but you have to be careful: it's almost guaranteed that at least something of that 90% is going to happen. Also, there are varying degrees of agree-ability. I do not agree with many of Hillary's policies, but there aren't any that I would take a firm stance against. Most of Donald's policies are different: I don't agree with them, and I believe it'd be awful if they were to actually happen.
  - ocdtrekkie 10y ago
    But for these people that are still supporting Trump, they consider that avoiding 90% of Hillary's platform worth the cost of Trump. Bear in mind, when Nate Silver pointed out that Trump would win if only men could vote, women (a small number, mind you) were tweeting they'd gladly give up their right to vote if it got Trump elected. You have to understand that that is how some people feel about Hillary. That losing their own vote forever, for their entire gender, would be worth it to them to keep her out of office.
    - odonnellryan 10y ago
      > But for these people that are still supporting Trump, they consider that avoiding 90% of Hillary's platform worth the cost of Trump. I think the problem is that's not true. From what I've read, people don't support a candidate because they agree or disagree with the opposition on real-terms. They support because of "fake terms." I consider these fake terms to be one I hear a lot from Trump supporters: "Hillary Clinton wants to take our guns away." > women (a small number, mind you) were tweeting they'd gladly give up their right to vote if it got Trump elected. There are plenty of women that think women shouldn't vote, regardless of Trump! There are men who think men shouldn't vote, etc.. etc.. fortunately, the internet gives them a platform: unfortunately, sometimes these groups aren't keen on reason.

sp527 10y ago

Ordinarily, I might be more inclined to agree with you, but (as even sama seems to recognize) this is far from an ordinary 'vote my issues' kind of election. This is a more holistic matter of core principles.