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What? Why is money speech? What makes donation different from voting pragmatically? (eg. "I'll put up with an offensive loudmouth for President if it means we g

by Tycho 10y ago

What? Why is money speech? What makes donation different from voting pragmatically? (eg. "I'll put up with an offensive loudmouth for President if it means we get to avoid destroying another Middle Eastern civilization and potentially starting WW3")

sp527 10y ago
This was the shocking conclusion of a landmark case, Citizen's United vs FEC, that was heard by the Supreme Court. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
- mmanfrin 10y ago
  A case where it was divided along partisan lines 5 to 4 on the SCOTUS. One of the 5s seat is now vacant and the next president will appoint a replacement. This is the primary reason I am so frustrated with friends of mine who are content to see Hillary and Trump as 'the same'. One of these two people will tilt the court away from the majority that decided on Citizens United. The other will tilt it further in favor of the side that decided on Citizens United. Even if HRC was ideologically opposed to my own views I would vote for her since 4 or 8 years of HRC trumps (pardon the pun) the 40 years of SCOTUS seating the next president will set.
- zeveb 10y ago
  Remember, that case was about the U.S. government trying to prevent a group of people from showing a film critical of a political candidate. Do you really think that isn't speech?
- zodiac 10y ago
  Did you read the article at all? It contains no support for your claim that > If Thiel donates ... to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying.
abiox 10y ago
there are a variety of legal cases that cover this, such as Buckley v. Valeo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo "The majority, in a per curiam opinion, contended that expenditure limits contravened the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech because spending money, in its view, was the same as written or verbal expression."
cschmidt 10y ago
sp527 is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
munificent 10y ago
> Why is money speech? It amplifies the speaker's message at a point in time when it may still affect others who hear it. By the time you vote, in secret, your choice affects no other voters.

by Tycho 10y ago

sp527 10y ago

This was the shocking conclusion of a landmark case, Citizen's United vs FEC, that was heard by the Supreme Court. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

mmanfrin 10y ago
A case where it was divided along partisan lines 5 to 4 on the SCOTUS. One of the 5s seat is now vacant and the next president will appoint a replacement. This is the primary reason I am so frustrated with friends of mine who are content to see Hillary and Trump as 'the same'. One of these two people will tilt the court away from the majority that decided on Citizens United. The other will tilt it further in favor of the side that decided on Citizens United. Even if HRC was ideologically opposed to my own views I would vote for her since 4 or 8 years of HRC trumps (pardon the pun) the 40 years of SCOTUS seating the next president will set.
zeveb 10y ago
Remember, that case was about the U.S. government trying to prevent a group of people from showing a film critical of a political candidate. Do you really think that isn't speech?
zodiac 10y ago
Did you read the article at all? It contains no support for your claim that > If Thiel donates ... to Trump's campaign, then he effectively is saying what Trump is saying.

abiox 10y ago

there are a variety of legal cases that cover this, such as Buckley v. Valeo: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckley_v._Valeo "The majority, in a per curiam opinion, contended that expenditure limits contravened the First Amendment provision on freedom of speech because spending money, in its view, was the same as written or verbal expression."

cschmidt 10y ago

sp527 is referring to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC

munificent 10y ago

> Why is money speech? It amplifies the speaker's message at a point in time when it may still affect others who hear it. By the time you vote, in secret, your choice affects no other voters.