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We are talking here about 40-50% of the American electorate not some fringe maniac. If you think those people's opinion should be shunned than your world view s

by 1337biz 10y ago

We are talking here about 40-50% of the American electorate not some fringe maniac. If you think those people's opinion should be shunned than your world view seems very restricted to me.

sremani 10y ago
People need to understand, about 43% of eligible electorate are going to Vote for Trump. Its better trying to understand them rather than demonize them. What next, no funding to start-ups in Texas since it voted Trump. Trump is obnoxious but Stalinist purges are not an answer for it.
- archagon 10y ago
  Funny you should mention Stalin, because it seems that people on Clinton's side are mostly using free speech to express their disgust, while Trump's camp has literally advocated mass deportation and legislating unsympathetic newspapers out of existence.
  - DougN7 10y ago
    Yeah, Clinton's side is all rainbows and ponies. This whole post is about Clinton's side wanting to throw Thiel out because of his views! Like happened to Eich. That doesn't clear Trump in any way, but don't you see both sides are the same? That's the problem!
    - archagon 10y ago
      How could you possibly equate a private company disavowing a single billionaire with the president of the United States harassing and deporting millions of people?
      - throwsincenotpc 10y ago
        > deporting millions of people? millions of illegal immigrants, as a candidate to immigration myself, following the rules, I see no problem with that.
      - DougN7 10y ago
        I'm talking about the general principle of shaming. Trump's an idiot - no argument there. Shaming and going after someone because they see _some_ amount of value in a person is not OK. And both sides do it. What I'm calling out is all the finger pointing and name calling, when both sides are doing exactly the same thing as what they're calling others out on. Frankly, I don't see how this country will ever again be united in any real, lasting way because of all the demonification.
braythwayt 10y ago
We needn't equate shunning people (plural) with choosing not to have a super-high-profile booster in a leadership role. Not the same thing at all.
tormeh 10y ago
"Maniac" and "fringe" have no absolute relationship. Look at Hitler. I'm not exaggerating. Let me quote Wikipedia: "On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP's share of the vote increased to 43.9 per cent, and the party acquired the largest number of seats in parliament." I'm not equating Trump and Hitler, btw. But Hitler proves that being mainstream means nothing. Separately, it is also my perception that both men's source of power are somewhat similar. They both have supporters that want an aggressive, authoritarian leader to change things drastically because the current direction isn't working for them. I think that's a dangerous thing to wish for.
- 1337biz 10y ago
  > I'm not equating Trump and Hitler, btw. But Hitler proves that being mainstream means nothing. It means that you better take the position serious and engage in a real discussion. By labeling one side good and the other evil you just drive both sides more into towards the extremes.

by 1337biz 10y ago

We are talking here about 40-50% of the American electorate not some fringe maniac. If you think those people's opinion should be shunned than your world view seems very restricted to me.

sremani 10y ago

People need to understand, about 43% of eligible electorate are going to Vote for Trump. Its better trying to understand them rather than demonize them. What next, no funding to start-ups in Texas since it voted Trump. Trump is obnoxious but Stalinist purges are not an answer for it.

archagon 10y ago
Funny you should mention Stalin, because it seems that people on Clinton's side are mostly using free speech to express their disgust, while Trump's camp has literally advocated mass deportation and legislating unsympathetic newspapers out of existence.
- DougN7 10y ago
  Yeah, Clinton's side is all rainbows and ponies. This whole post is about Clinton's side wanting to throw Thiel out because of his views! Like happened to Eich. That doesn't clear Trump in any way, but don't you see both sides are the same? That's the problem!
  - archagon 10y ago
    How could you possibly equate a private company disavowing a single billionaire with the president of the United States harassing and deporting millions of people?
    - throwsincenotpc 10y ago
      > deporting millions of people? millions of illegal immigrants, as a candidate to immigration myself, following the rules, I see no problem with that.
    - DougN7 10y ago
      I'm talking about the general principle of shaming. Trump's an idiot - no argument there. Shaming and going after someone because they see _some_ amount of value in a person is not OK. And both sides do it. What I'm calling out is all the finger pointing and name calling, when both sides are doing exactly the same thing as what they're calling others out on. Frankly, I don't see how this country will ever again be united in any real, lasting way because of all the demonification.

braythwayt 10y ago

We needn't equate shunning people (plural) with choosing not to have a super-high-profile booster in a leadership role. Not the same thing at all.

tormeh 10y ago

"Maniac" and "fringe" have no absolute relationship. Look at Hitler. I'm not exaggerating. Let me quote Wikipedia: "On election day, 6 March 1933, the NSDAP's share of the vote increased to 43.9 per cent, and the party acquired the largest number of seats in parliament." I'm not equating Trump and Hitler, btw. But Hitler proves that being mainstream means nothing. Separately, it is also my perception that both men's source of power are somewhat similar. They both have supporters that want an aggressive, authoritarian leader to change things drastically because the current direction isn't working for them. I think that's a dangerous thing to wish for.

1337biz 10y ago
> I'm not equating Trump and Hitler, btw. But Hitler proves that being mainstream means nothing. It means that you better take the position serious and engage in a real discussion. By labeling one side good and the other evil you just drive both sides more into towards the extremes.