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With your logic, so Sam Altman effectively is saying half of trump of supporters are a basket of deplorables?

by xname2 10y ago

justjico 10y ago
She apologized the next day though.
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  "“Last night I was ‘grossly generalistic,’ and that's never a good idea. I regret saying ‘half’ — that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement released Saturday afternoon." (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-basket-deplorables-227988 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-basket...) Apparently the apology was over "half" rather than "deplorables".
  - Latty 10y ago
    If you are claiming that calling a non-trivial proportion of Trump's supporters deplorable requires an apology, you disagree with me about what is deplorable.
    - MrZongle2 10y ago
      The fact that a candidate for President of the United States -- whichever party they represent -- would decide to dismiss a sizeable portion of the country as contemptible or wretched seems to be the issue. Mitt Romney dismissed 47% of the voting public in 2012 and was roundly criticized for dismissing the people he supposedly wanted to lead. If Clinton had said 46%, would that have made it ok?
      - odonnellryan 10y ago
        I do not think that was a good comment from Hillary, but I absolutely do not think this disqualifies her from being president: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/sep/10/hillary-clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-go-into-the-basket-of-deplorables-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/sep/10/hillar...
      - int_19h 10y ago
        It's not about the number, but rather about the accuracy of the statement. I don't have any problem with what Clinton said. Based on the numerous polls, she is absolutely correct. It may not be a politically prudent thing to say, but that's not an ethical matter.
      - Latty 10y ago
        If a sizeable portion of the country is contemptible or wretched, why on earth would she not say it? It's not dismissing them, it's saying they hold contemptible views. Just as, at one point in time, I'd imagine 50% of the population were in favour of slavery. It's not a good political move, but it's telling the truth.
  - bodmd 10y ago
    > Apparently the apology was over "half" rather than "deplorables" Which is fair. It's impossible to deny that there are white supremacists (who are deplorable) that support Trump. They're very candid about it.
    - MrZongle2 10y ago
      Sure. There are individuals in any large group that stray in philosophy and behavior from what the majority consider rational or acceptable, and that includes Clinton, Johnson and Stein supporters. So what is the acceptable number? "Almost half"? And what does that say about the rest of the group? Are they too to be damned by association, for standing too close to the "real deplorables"?
fake-name 10y ago
More then half.

With your logic, so Sam Altman effectively is saying half of trump of supporters are a basket of deplorables?

by xname2 10y ago

With your logic, so Sam Altman effectively is saying half of trump of supporters are a basket of deplorables?

justjico 10y ago

She apologized the next day though.

MrZongle2 10y ago
"“Last night I was ‘grossly generalistic,’ and that's never a good idea. I regret saying ‘half’ — that was wrong," Clinton said in a statement released Saturday afternoon." (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-basket-deplorables-227988 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-basket...) Apparently the apology was over "half" rather than "deplorables".
- Latty 10y ago
  If you are claiming that calling a non-trivial proportion of Trump's supporters deplorable requires an apology, you disagree with me about what is deplorable.
  - MrZongle2 10y ago
    The fact that a candidate for President of the United States -- whichever party they represent -- would decide to dismiss a sizeable portion of the country as contemptible or wretched seems to be the issue. Mitt Romney dismissed 47% of the voting public in 2012 and was roundly criticized for dismissing the people he supposedly wanted to lead. If Clinton had said 46%, would that have made it ok?
    - odonnellryan 10y ago
      I do not think that was a good comment from Hillary, but I absolutely do not think this disqualifies her from being president: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/sep/10/hillary-clinton-half-of-trumps-supporters-go-into-the-basket-of-deplorables-video https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/sep/10/hillar...
    - int_19h 10y ago
      It's not about the number, but rather about the accuracy of the statement. I don't have any problem with what Clinton said. Based on the numerous polls, she is absolutely correct. It may not be a politically prudent thing to say, but that's not an ethical matter.
    - Latty 10y ago
      If a sizeable portion of the country is contemptible or wretched, why on earth would she not say it? It's not dismissing them, it's saying they hold contemptible views. Just as, at one point in time, I'd imagine 50% of the population were in favour of slavery. It's not a good political move, but it's telling the truth.
- bodmd 10y ago
  > Apparently the apology was over "half" rather than "deplorables" Which is fair. It's impossible to deny that there are white supremacists (who are deplorable) that support Trump. They're very candid about it.
  - MrZongle2 10y ago
    Sure. There are individuals in any large group that stray in philosophy and behavior from what the majority consider rational or acceptable, and that includes Clinton, Johnson and Stein supporters. So what is the acceptable number? "Almost half"? And what does that say about the rest of the group? Are they too to be damned by association, for standing too close to the "real deplorables"?

fake-name 10y ago

More then half.