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There are really damaging things -- although nothing surprising and that's why I think nobody is talking about it. E.g. in one email HRC talks about how Qatar i

by amasad 10y ago

There are really damaging things -- although nothing surprising and that's why I think nobody is talking about it. E.g. in one email HRC talks about how Qatar is funding ISIS, and in the next they're giving Bill Clinton a $1m check for his birthday. The wallstreet stuff would've definitely tilted the balance to Bernie Sanders in the primaries. Finally, the level of involvement with the press is far more than I could've ever imagined (the NYT is sending the HRC campaigns drafts of stories for approval before they come out, and promise complete support). I found this site which summarizes the finding (tweeted by a Trump supporter): http://www.vaskal.ca/podestafiles http://www.vaskal.ca/podestafiles

zuminator 10y ago
They didn't give Bill Clinton a check for $1m. They contributed $1m to the Clinton Foundation in honor of his birthday. Contrary to what some alt-right sites maintain, the Clintons derive no personal income from the charitable foundation which takes its name from them.
- t0liman 10y ago
  This is pretty disingenuous for the definition of charity. The Clinton Foundation perhaps redefines what political bribery means in the 21st century, in an attempt to skirt the laws set up to prevent power, via money, government leaders or corporations influencing policy or private citizens. The Clinton Foundation is the new SuperPAC. At what point is a $1 million birthday gift seen as a gift from a friend? Or a "charitable donation" ? Sure, there's no evidence of pay for play in explicit terms. Doing so would be tantamount for a legal definition of bribery. However, consider the natural progression of the PAC if it were to use the same loophole of charity instead. Would a charity request for money be considered access, at the same level as PAC influence? At some point, the foundation should be considered a profitable business rather than a charity, given the immense staffing and expenditures of operation in a billion dollar+ charity organization. It's not trivial to ignore the oddities that abound when it does not operate like any other charity organization. Plane tickets for Hillary and Chelsea, car expenses, six figure living expenses, etc. The grey area of having ~70 year billionaires running for president is when you see just how they live and work, and how they got there... It's usually disgusting or disappointing. It almost always has to be. If you disagree, examine what it is you believe is good about the process of allowing, then choosing between the richest of egomaniacs, to lead a nation with a sense of morality or ethical standards. The democratic process is acutely broken by any standard if you believe that PACs and now, "charity organizations" is a net benefit.
  - kbenson 10y ago
    Here's some facts for you: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/ http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundati.... Here's the last few paragraphs for your benefit: Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said. We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses. We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a misunderstanding of how public charities work. > Would a charity request for money be considered access, at the same level as PAC influence? Is it pay of play in the same way if a donation was made to a completely unaffiliated charity, such as the American Red Cross? What if the donation is made first, and the politician notices and it happens to make them look favorably on a meeting because it bodes well for the character of the person in question? > At what point is a $1 million birthday gift seen as a gift from a friend? Or a "charitable donation" ? It's a gift to you when it's actually to you, and not to a separate organization that spends it on things that aren't for your own benefit. > At some point, the foundation should be considered a profitable business rather than a charity, given the immense staffing and expenditures of operation in a billion dollar+ charity organization. I'm not sure you understand how charities work. They are generally rated by how much money donated goes back out in programs, services or donations to other organizations to achieve the same. > It's not trivial to ignore the oddities that abound when it does not operate like any other charity organization. Plane tickets for Hillary and Chelsea, car expenses, six figure living expenses, etc. You should substantiate statements like that with references. Preferably to trusted sources. > The democratic process is acutely broken by any standard if you believe that PACs and now, "charity organizations" is a net benefit. I don't believe charity organizations working as a PAC is beneficial, but I haven't seen any evidence of that either.
blhack 10y ago
I haven't seen anything that egregious from the NYT. Can you link to this email, please?
- s_baby 10y ago
  http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-emails-show-u-s-allies-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-supported-isis/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-email...
  - blhack 10y ago
    That doesn't seem to say anything about collusion with the NYT. Do you have anything that backs that up?
- huahaiy 10y ago
  It's not that hard to search Wikileaks. What I did was searching for emails sent by Podesta himself. There are not many of them, so you can easily read through all of them. Many of these emails are him giving instructions or approving drafts from NYT. Go ahead, read them and make up your own mind.
  - blhack 10y ago
    I've searched wikileaks, I've also searched google for stories talking about that. And the best I can find is somebody talking about a story that a journalist asked them for comment on.
huahaiy 10y ago
From just some casual readings of the emails, my impression is the same as yours. The most damning things I find are the level of control the Democratic party has on the mainstream media. The emails reveal a relationship very similar to the one between Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Chinese official press. The Democratic party officials basically tell NYT, WoPo etc, what to say and how to say it. The party even decides what byline the writer should be using. As some one coming to US from mainland China, I find this collusion between the media and the Democratic party familiar, yet the case with US is much more disturbing. Because in China, the relationship between CCP and the press is out in the open, people knew the press is the mouthpiece of the party and treat the information they receive from the press accordingly. Here in US, people do not know. This is truly frightening.

by amasad 10y ago

zuminator 10y ago

They didn't give Bill Clinton a check for $1m. They contributed $1m to the Clinton Foundation in honor of his birthday. Contrary to what some alt-right sites maintain, the Clintons derive no personal income from the charitable foundation which takes its name from them.

t0liman 10y ago
This is pretty disingenuous for the definition of charity. The Clinton Foundation perhaps redefines what political bribery means in the 21st century, in an attempt to skirt the laws set up to prevent power, via money, government leaders or corporations influencing policy or private citizens. The Clinton Foundation is the new SuperPAC. At what point is a $1 million birthday gift seen as a gift from a friend? Or a "charitable donation" ? Sure, there's no evidence of pay for play in explicit terms. Doing so would be tantamount for a legal definition of bribery. However, consider the natural progression of the PAC if it were to use the same loophole of charity instead. Would a charity request for money be considered access, at the same level as PAC influence? At some point, the foundation should be considered a profitable business rather than a charity, given the immense staffing and expenditures of operation in a billion dollar+ charity organization. It's not trivial to ignore the oddities that abound when it does not operate like any other charity organization. Plane tickets for Hillary and Chelsea, car expenses, six figure living expenses, etc. The grey area of having ~70 year billionaires running for president is when you see just how they live and work, and how they got there... It's usually disgusting or disappointing. It almost always has to be. If you disagree, examine what it is you believe is good about the process of allowing, then choosing between the richest of egomaniacs, to lead a nation with a sense of morality or ethical standards. The democratic process is acutely broken by any standard if you believe that PACs and now, "charity organizations" is a net benefit.
- kbenson 10y ago
  Here's some facts for you: http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/ http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundati.... Here's the last few paragraphs for your benefit: Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said. We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses. We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a misunderstanding of how public charities work. > Would a charity request for money be considered access, at the same level as PAC influence? Is it pay of play in the same way if a donation was made to a completely unaffiliated charity, such as the American Red Cross? What if the donation is made first, and the politician notices and it happens to make them look favorably on a meeting because it bodes well for the character of the person in question? > At what point is a $1 million birthday gift seen as a gift from a friend? Or a "charitable donation" ? It's a gift to you when it's actually to you, and not to a separate organization that spends it on things that aren't for your own benefit. > At some point, the foundation should be considered a profitable business rather than a charity, given the immense staffing and expenditures of operation in a billion dollar+ charity organization. I'm not sure you understand how charities work. They are generally rated by how much money donated goes back out in programs, services or donations to other organizations to achieve the same. > It's not trivial to ignore the oddities that abound when it does not operate like any other charity organization. Plane tickets for Hillary and Chelsea, car expenses, six figure living expenses, etc. You should substantiate statements like that with references. Preferably to trusted sources. > The democratic process is acutely broken by any standard if you believe that PACs and now, "charity organizations" is a net benefit. I don't believe charity organizations working as a PAC is beneficial, but I haven't seen any evidence of that either.

blhack 10y ago

I haven't seen anything that egregious from the NYT. Can you link to this email, please?

s_baby 10y ago
http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-emails-show-u-s-allies-saudi-arabia-and-qatar-supported-isis/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/11/leaked-hillary-clinton-email...
- blhack 10y ago
  That doesn't seem to say anything about collusion with the NYT. Do you have anything that backs that up?
huahaiy 10y ago
It's not that hard to search Wikileaks. What I did was searching for emails sent by Podesta himself. There are not many of them, so you can easily read through all of them. Many of these emails are him giving instructions or approving drafts from NYT. Go ahead, read them and make up your own mind.
- blhack 10y ago
  I've searched wikileaks, I've also searched google for stories talking about that. And the best I can find is somebody talking about a story that a journalist asked them for comment on.

huahaiy 10y ago

From just some casual readings of the emails, my impression is the same as yours. The most damning things I find are the level of control the Democratic party has on the mainstream media. The emails reveal a relationship very similar to the one between Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and the Chinese official press. The Democratic party officials basically tell NYT, WoPo etc, what to say and how to say it. The party even decides what byline the writer should be using. As some one coming to US from mainland China, I find this collusion between the media and the Democratic party familiar, yet the case with US is much more disturbing. Because in China, the relationship between CCP and the press is out in the open, people knew the press is the mouthpiece of the party and treat the information they receive from the press accordingly. Here in US, people do not know. This is truly frightening.