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I think Assange doesn't care that much who is elected, as long as it's not Hillary (because of the things she did against him and the things she promised to do)

I think Assange doesn't care that much who is elected, as long as it's not Hillary (because of the things she did against him and the things she promised to do). In this case his only choice is Trump, but it could have been others.

tptacek 10y ago
To believe that Assange is motivated by a vendetta against HRC, you not only have to conjure up a plausible motive for that vendetta despite Clinton's marginal role in any of the US's dealings with Wikileaks, but also rationalize his efforts to put into power someone who has promised to put Edward Snowden to death. No, not buying it.
- matthewrobertso 10y ago
  Does HRC wanting to drone strike Assange qualify as something he might be concerned about? https://www.rt.com/usa/361459-secretary-clinton-drone-assange/ https://www.rt.com/usa/361459-secretary-clinton-drone-assang...
  - JamesBarney 10y ago
    No real evidence for this. http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/ http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/
    - DominikR 10y ago
      The person who wrote this article is obviously engaging in high level mental gymnastics. She explicitly asked to have Assange assassinated -> people laughed -> until they realised she was serious because she offers arguments why it would be better to kill him. My 2 cents: Assange is anti establishment and that's why he helps Trump.
      - tptacek 10y ago
        It doesn't take gymnastics to reach the conclusion that the Secretary of State of the United States of America is not seriously advocating for a military strike on the Ecuadorian embassy in the largest city of our closest ally. The notion that Clinton wants to "drone" Assange is about as credible as the notion that she and Podesta discussed murdering Antonin Scalia in a "Wetworks" operation.
        luminiferous 10y ago
        Wasn't this supposed drone quote said before Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy? The quote was in 2010, but Assange wasn't at the embassy until 2012. Not to say I believe that Clinton was seriously considering assassinating Assange, but I don't think that not wanting a drone strike in the middle of London is a valid argument against it.
        tptacek 10y ago
        The "2010" quote is unsourced.
        DominikR 10y ago
        http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/ http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wiki... It was on 23rd Nov 2010.
        tptacek 10y ago
        Yes, that is an unsourced claim.
        DominikR 10y ago
        Yes unsourced claim referenced by Assange himself with his WikiLeaks Twitter account. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562
- ikeboy 10y ago
  The obvious theory for Trump support would be: He thinks Trump will severely harm America, and he really hates America.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I assume that's what he's doing. Think about that, though: to fuck over America, he'll help elect someone who has promised to kill Edward Snowden.
- kyledrake 10y ago
  This is a really good point. HRC isn't necessarily good for Wikileaks, but Trump would conceivably be a lot, lot worse. Perhaps the idea is that they might get off easier if Trump feels Wikileaks gave him an election present, but I find that to be a high risk gamble, especially at this point. That said, the argument could perhaps just as easily be made if they leaked a bunch of Trump stuff too. I don't think anyone can really determine motives at this point with the current base of information.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    We're not required to unspool Assange's weird motives to acknowledge that he is essentially functioning as an arm of the Trump campaign, and must know that he's doing so.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      I don't see any evidence that he is providing any electoral even fit to Trump; I think he is more, in effect, serving as an arm of the Russian regime acting to undermine trust in the US leadership and government regardless of the election results than he is acting to improve Trump's electoral prospects.
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tptacek 10y ago

To believe that Assange is motivated by a vendetta against HRC, you not only have to conjure up a plausible motive for that vendetta despite Clinton's marginal role in any of the US's dealings with Wikileaks, but also rationalize his efforts to put into power someone who has promised to put Edward Snowden to death. No, not buying it.

matthewrobertso 10y ago
Does HRC wanting to drone strike Assange qualify as something he might be concerned about? https://www.rt.com/usa/361459-secretary-clinton-drone-assange/ https://www.rt.com/usa/361459-secretary-clinton-drone-assang...
- JamesBarney 10y ago
  No real evidence for this. http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/ http://www.snopes.com/julian-assange-drone-strike/
  - DominikR 10y ago
    The person who wrote this article is obviously engaging in high level mental gymnastics. She explicitly asked to have Assange assassinated -> people laughed -> until they realised she was serious because she offers arguments why it would be better to kill him. My 2 cents: Assange is anti establishment and that's why he helps Trump.
    - tptacek 10y ago
      It doesn't take gymnastics to reach the conclusion that the Secretary of State of the United States of America is not seriously advocating for a military strike on the Ecuadorian embassy in the largest city of our closest ally. The notion that Clinton wants to "drone" Assange is about as credible as the notion that she and Podesta discussed murdering Antonin Scalia in a "Wetworks" operation.
      - luminiferous 10y ago
        Wasn't this supposed drone quote said before Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy? The quote was in 2010, but Assange wasn't at the embassy until 2012. Not to say I believe that Clinton was seriously considering assassinating Assange, but I don't think that not wanting a drone strike in the middle of London is a valid argument against it.
        tptacek 10y ago
        The "2010" quote is unsourced.
        DominikR 10y ago
        http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wikileaks-secretary-of-state-hillary-clinton-proposed-drone-strike-on-julian-assange/ http://truepundit.com/under-intense-pressure-to-silence-wiki... It was on 23rd Nov 2010.
        tptacek 10y ago
        Yes, that is an unsourced claim.
        DominikR 10y ago
        Yes unsourced claim referenced by Assange himself with his WikiLeaks Twitter account. https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562 https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562
ikeboy 10y ago
The obvious theory for Trump support would be: He thinks Trump will severely harm America, and he really hates America.
- tptacek 10y ago
  I assume that's what he's doing. Think about that, though: to fuck over America, he'll help elect someone who has promised to kill Edward Snowden.
kyledrake 10y ago
This is a really good point. HRC isn't necessarily good for Wikileaks, but Trump would conceivably be a lot, lot worse. Perhaps the idea is that they might get off easier if Trump feels Wikileaks gave him an election present, but I find that to be a high risk gamble, especially at this point. That said, the argument could perhaps just as easily be made if they leaked a bunch of Trump stuff too. I don't think anyone can really determine motives at this point with the current base of information.
- tptacek 10y ago
  We're not required to unspool Assange's weird motives to acknowledge that he is essentially functioning as an arm of the Trump campaign, and must know that he's doing so.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    I don't see any evidence that he is providing any electoral even fit to Trump; I think he is more, in effect, serving as an arm of the Russian regime acting to undermine trust in the US leadership and government regardless of the election results than he is acting to improve Trump's electoral prospects.

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