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Given his attitude, Trump seems way more likely to invade other countries and n general sable rattle. Also, I wouldn't call what Obama did sable rattling. Russ

Given his attitude, Trump seems way more likely to invade other countries and n general sable rattle. Also, I wouldn't call what Obama did sable rattling. Russia did invade several countries in the last years (Georgia, Ukraine, and maybe I'm missing one more?). If you don't have a good response for that, then how can you be trusted to defend your other allies (Poland, etc.)

Mikeb85 10y ago
Georgia attacked first, after the US-sponsored 'Rose Revolution', and the US also sponsored 2 'revolutions' in Ukraine. Crimea was hardly invaded, it was a region which had tried in the past to separate from Ukraine. Again, both actions you cite were reactions to US meddling in the region in the first place. The fact Trump hasn't threatened any new invasions is already an improvement. PS. Do you know who Mikheil Saakashvili is, what he did, where he is now, and why he's exiled from his own country? And have you seen Victor Yushchenko's face recently, what it looks like? The answers to both of these questions give a lot of insight into US actions in the region.
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  Crimea was hardly invaded Right -- the several thousand army and special forces troops that Putin has since openly acknowledged sending there to size buildings and other strategic checkpoints were just out on vacation.
  - Mikeb85 10y ago
    I don't know if you know this, there's never not been Russian troops in Sevastopol...
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      Actually the Russians are relative newcomers, having just arrived in 1783. Before that time it was controlled by the Crimean Tatars (you know, the people Stalin deported en masse in 1944). And before that, by Khazars, Bulgars, Huns, Goths, Scythians, Romans, Greeks (most significantly), and scads of others. Either way -- the main point is (and presumably you do know this), the leased military base at Sevastopol != the Crimean peninsula.
  - shard972 10y ago
    I mean, those are talking points but it doesn't change the fact geopolitics is more complicated then "Putin invaded Ukraine"
    - kafkaesq 10y ago
      Actually it's not that complicated in this case. Except for the small matter of nearly 10,000 people needlessly killed.
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greendragon 10y ago
Trump's tone is abrasive, but do you remember the time he sucker punched someone he was yelling at instead of continuing to debate? Me neither. Despite what we want to infer from his personality, you don't get to his level by being out of control or incredibly impulsive. Besides, he's already started sabre rattling, but the threats are usually for the US to stop doing X, rather than to start doing Y. It creates a whole new set of incentives, and that's really the only way to change the world situation.
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gragas 10y ago
The entire world knows that a Clinton presidency would degrade our already weak relationship with Russia. Russia has said this, pretty much every news source (partisan or not) has said this, and Clinton has openly attacked Russia multiple times. Trump would improve relations with Russia.

Mikeb85 10y ago

Georgia attacked first, after the US-sponsored 'Rose Revolution', and the US also sponsored 2 'revolutions' in Ukraine. Crimea was hardly invaded, it was a region which had tried in the past to separate from Ukraine. Again, both actions you cite were reactions to US meddling in the region in the first place. The fact Trump hasn't threatened any new invasions is already an improvement. PS. Do you know who Mikheil Saakashvili is, what he did, where he is now, and why he's exiled from his own country? And have you seen Victor Yushchenko's face recently, what it looks like? The answers to both of these questions give a lot of insight into US actions in the region.

kafkaesq 10y ago
Crimea was hardly invaded Right -- the several thousand army and special forces troops that Putin has since openly acknowledged sending there to size buildings and other strategic checkpoints were just out on vacation.
- Mikeb85 10y ago
  I don't know if you know this, there's never not been Russian troops in Sevastopol...
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    Actually the Russians are relative newcomers, having just arrived in 1783. Before that time it was controlled by the Crimean Tatars (you know, the people Stalin deported en masse in 1944). And before that, by Khazars, Bulgars, Huns, Goths, Scythians, Romans, Greeks (most significantly), and scads of others. Either way -- the main point is (and presumably you do know this), the leased military base at Sevastopol != the Crimean peninsula.
- shard972 10y ago
  I mean, those are talking points but it doesn't change the fact geopolitics is more complicated then "Putin invaded Ukraine"
  - kafkaesq 10y ago
    Actually it's not that complicated in this case. Except for the small matter of nearly 10,000 people needlessly killed.
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greendragon 10y ago

Trump's tone is abrasive, but do you remember the time he sucker punched someone he was yelling at instead of continuing to debate? Me neither. Despite what we want to infer from his personality, you don't get to his level by being out of control or incredibly impulsive. Besides, he's already started sabre rattling, but the threats are usually for the US to stop doing X, rather than to start doing Y. It creates a whole new set of incentives, and that's really the only way to change the world situation.

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gragas 10y ago

The entire world knows that a Clinton presidency would degrade our already weak relationship with Russia. Russia has said this, pretty much every news source (partisan or not) has said this, and Clinton has openly attacked Russia multiple times. Trump would improve relations with Russia.