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No-one really expects new magic in iPhones - We just hope there will be some incremental improvements and the rest stays as cool as it is. What the people expe

by tajen 10y ago

No-one really expects new magic in iPhones - We just hope there will be some incremental improvements and the rest stays as cool as it is. What the people expect is rather a magic new product. The watch is merely a gadget. The iPod was a revolution. The Macbooks still are unreproduced on the market. The iPhone changed humanity (or at least it was the first to do so). Each wasn't an incremental improvement but a complete new line of products. Each didn't eclipse the previous line (the iPad didn't replace the Macbooks) but multiplied Apple's publicity. At the level of Apple, innovation could be a VR tool that encompasses our life, a car, a teaching tool, or they might go to services and launch a global platform for press, privacy, work or start-ups. But the only reason I watch each keynote is that I don't want to miss the next time they innovate.

emilsedgh 10y ago
The iPhone changed humanity It seems a but off-topic, but I have to say it. I have a problem with this. I know iPhone's changed the industry. But seriously, it was only a phone. A few years ahead of its time. You know what did change humanity? Internet. Cell Phones. Not iPhones..
- nilkn 10y ago
  To be fair, it wasn't just a phone. This has been beaten to death at this point, but the innovation of the iPhone was all the stuff it could do that had nothing to do with making phone calls.
  - emilsedgh 10y ago
    Fair enough. And thanks to iphone all that functionality is now taken as a grant on a phone. But none of that functionality is as important and effective as phone calls. And almost all of that is based on the foundation of The Internet.
    - macintux 10y ago
      > But none of that functionality is as important and effective as phone calls. Wait, what? Making phone calls is almost always the least efficient last resort. > And almost all of that is based on the foundation of The Internet. Absolutely, but the Internet is dramatically more useful when it's always on, and always with you, and tied into sensors that help decide what you need. BlackBerry gave us smart pagers. Microsoft gave us a microscopic desktop with all the charm and utility that implies. Neither were successful with the mass market because neither were particularly relevant to consumers. The problem with saying iPhone was a few years ahead of its time is that iPhone defined the future. Without it we might still be divided between 10-20% of the user base with stylii and physical keyboards and WAP web browsers and the rest of us with feature phones.
      - FireBeyond 10y ago
        "Wait, what? Making phone calls is almost always the least efficient last resort." Right. The nuances of a voice conversation is less efficient than what? A text message with some emoji? A Facebook poke? Tagging someone? If you're going to tell me that all these apps are the communication method of choice... "The problem with saying iPhone was a few years ahead of its time is that iPhone defined the future. Without it we might still be divided between 10-20% of the user base with stylii and physical keyboards and WAP web browsers and the rest of us with feature phones." Eh, my phone had a HTML web browser before the iPhone was a twinkle in the eye.
        neotek 10y ago
        >If you're going to tell me that all these apps are the communication method of choice... I can't remember the last time I used my phone to actually make a call. In fact, in 2012 making a call was only the fifth most-used feature of the average smartphone, following after internet, social media, music, and games. I'm guessing that in 2016, with the plethora of messaging apps and the huge push by Facebook and others to drive adoption of those apps, making calls is even less of a priority for people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/9365085/Smartphones-hardly-used-for-calls.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/9365085/... >Eh, my phone had a HTML web browser before the iPhone was a twinkle in the eye. I bet it was a total piece of shit though.
  - logfromblammo 10y ago
    And which among those things had not already been done at that point by the likes of Palm, Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, et al? Apple's major contribution is making consumer-grade technology look at once both cool and friendly, such as by putting an icon of a smiling, happy computer on the boot screen of a Macintosh. Their greatest strength is in making objects that might otherwise seem intimidating or ostentatious into something hip and approachable. That isn't to say they don't innovate. They clearly do. But that is not where their profits come from. Those clearly derive from brand image and network effects.
    - oldmanjay 10y ago
      What you are labeling as brand image is also dedication to usability that no mobile competitor at the time had. It's not that iPhones "seem hip" so much as they don't make you feel like a fumbling idiot when attempting complex tasks
      - logfromblammo 10y ago
        What you call "dedication to usability" I am more apt to label "dedication to user interface". There is an important separation of meaning there. The technology learning curve is less steep with an Apple product, but the capabilities of the device eventually hit a wall, unless you are willing to undertake the additional effort of learning to jailbreak. Competing devices have a steeper learning curve, but they go all the way up to the hardware ceiling without such a big discontinuity. Rooting or re-flashing an Android device is still a leap, but it is much less of a shock to someone who has gone to that point. In comparing Apple and Android devices, I'd say that stock Android is more capable, but Apple is more user-friendly. Carrier-crippled Android devices reduce the functionality to that of an Apple device or less, without the mitigating factor of the superior user experience. It turns out that doing all your user hand-holding with soft, warm hands has significant market value.
        calibration263 10y ago
        I disagree with the claim that you need to jailbreak an iPhone in order to break past some capability wall. This was true in 2007 before the app store, and maybe parts of 08 and 09 before the multi-tasking and notification API's were fully fleshed, but all jailbreaking gets you know is customization. Usually at the price of reliability. (I used to be a big fan of jailbreaking a few years back).
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- petra 10y ago
  The smartphone enabled internet usage in the third world, which was a pretty big change.
  - pjmlp 10y ago
    Symbian and feature phones were already doing that.

by tajen 10y ago

emilsedgh 10y ago

The iPhone changed humanity It seems a but off-topic, but I have to say it. I have a problem with this. I know iPhone's changed the industry. But seriously, it was only a phone. A few years ahead of its time. You know what did change humanity? Internet. Cell Phones. Not iPhones..

nilkn 10y ago
To be fair, it wasn't just a phone. This has been beaten to death at this point, but the innovation of the iPhone was all the stuff it could do that had nothing to do with making phone calls.
- emilsedgh 10y ago
  Fair enough. And thanks to iphone all that functionality is now taken as a grant on a phone. But none of that functionality is as important and effective as phone calls. And almost all of that is based on the foundation of The Internet.
  - macintux 10y ago
    > But none of that functionality is as important and effective as phone calls. Wait, what? Making phone calls is almost always the least efficient last resort. > And almost all of that is based on the foundation of The Internet. Absolutely, but the Internet is dramatically more useful when it's always on, and always with you, and tied into sensors that help decide what you need. BlackBerry gave us smart pagers. Microsoft gave us a microscopic desktop with all the charm and utility that implies. Neither were successful with the mass market because neither were particularly relevant to consumers. The problem with saying iPhone was a few years ahead of its time is that iPhone defined the future. Without it we might still be divided between 10-20% of the user base with stylii and physical keyboards and WAP web browsers and the rest of us with feature phones.
    - FireBeyond 10y ago
      "Wait, what? Making phone calls is almost always the least efficient last resort." Right. The nuances of a voice conversation is less efficient than what? A text message with some emoji? A Facebook poke? Tagging someone? If you're going to tell me that all these apps are the communication method of choice... "The problem with saying iPhone was a few years ahead of its time is that iPhone defined the future. Without it we might still be divided between 10-20% of the user base with stylii and physical keyboards and WAP web browsers and the rest of us with feature phones." Eh, my phone had a HTML web browser before the iPhone was a twinkle in the eye.
      - neotek 10y ago
        >If you're going to tell me that all these apps are the communication method of choice... I can't remember the last time I used my phone to actually make a call. In fact, in 2012 making a call was only the fifth most-used feature of the average smartphone, following after internet, social media, music, and games. I'm guessing that in 2016, with the plethora of messaging apps and the huge push by Facebook and others to drive adoption of those apps, making calls is even less of a priority for people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/9365085/Smartphones-hardly-used-for-calls.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mobile-phones/9365085/... >Eh, my phone had a HTML web browser before the iPhone was a twinkle in the eye. I bet it was a total piece of shit though.
- logfromblammo 10y ago
  And which among those things had not already been done at that point by the likes of Palm, Blackberry, Nokia, Motorola, et al? Apple's major contribution is making consumer-grade technology look at once both cool and friendly, such as by putting an icon of a smiling, happy computer on the boot screen of a Macintosh. Their greatest strength is in making objects that might otherwise seem intimidating or ostentatious into something hip and approachable. That isn't to say they don't innovate. They clearly do. But that is not where their profits come from. Those clearly derive from brand image and network effects.
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    What you are labeling as brand image is also dedication to usability that no mobile competitor at the time had. It's not that iPhones "seem hip" so much as they don't make you feel like a fumbling idiot when attempting complex tasks
    - logfromblammo 10y ago
      What you call "dedication to usability" I am more apt to label "dedication to user interface". There is an important separation of meaning there. The technology learning curve is less steep with an Apple product, but the capabilities of the device eventually hit a wall, unless you are willing to undertake the additional effort of learning to jailbreak. Competing devices have a steeper learning curve, but they go all the way up to the hardware ceiling without such a big discontinuity. Rooting or re-flashing an Android device is still a leap, but it is much less of a shock to someone who has gone to that point. In comparing Apple and Android devices, I'd say that stock Android is more capable, but Apple is more user-friendly. Carrier-crippled Android devices reduce the functionality to that of an Apple device or less, without the mitigating factor of the superior user experience. It turns out that doing all your user hand-holding with soft, warm hands has significant market value.
      - calibration263 10y ago
        I disagree with the claim that you need to jailbreak an iPhone in order to break past some capability wall. This was true in 2007 before the app store, and maybe parts of 08 and 09 before the multi-tasking and notification API's were fully fleshed, but all jailbreaking gets you know is customization. Usually at the price of reliability. (I used to be a big fan of jailbreaking a few years back).
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petra 10y ago
The smartphone enabled internet usage in the third world, which was a pretty big change.
- pjmlp 10y ago
  Symbian and feature phones were already doing that.