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You're implying that the reboots occur at random without notification. They do not. Windows notifies you that updates were installed that require a reboot and

You're implying that the reboots occur at random without notification. They do not. Windows notifies you that updates were installed that require a reboot and that it will occur at off hours. If you ignore that notification then when the reboot is schedule to occur you receive another notification with the option to postpone the reboot for another amount of time. I've had these forced reboots happen a couple times and it's disruptive but that's about it. The most disruptive was when I was working on a project and stopped for dinner then never came back and left my desktop on overnight. The next day I discovered that my computer had rebooted and was at the login prompt. I can see how this would really suck for applications that do not respect the shutdown notification that Windows broadcasts but even the Arduino IDE dutifully saved my work. I suspect that over time app developers will pay more attention to OS level event notifications and we'll get to a point similar to Mobile or even MacOS where apps can be halted and resumed at will. Personally that sounds like heaven.

teh_klev 10y ago
> You're implying that the reboots occur at random without notification. They do not. Well actually......twice in the past seven days I had updates installed during my "work hours" and it still went ahead and did the 20 minute reboot warning thing during the same specified work hours in the same day.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  That's curious. I just checked and all of my machines have the reboot during off hours option turned on. I don't recall turning it on explicitly but it's entirely possible that I did, I'm usually not that thorough though.
khedoros1 10y ago
> Personally that sounds like heaven. It sounds like heaven to have the capability. It sounds like hell to be forced to use it just because the computer's doing something you didn't ask it to.
- cptskippy 10y ago
  The user isn't forced to use it so much as it just works. The feature itself is nice in for many reasons beyond the operating system rebooting after updates. Loss of power, system hangs, and program lockups come to mind as situations where it would be nice. I think about my browser not restoring tabs after crashing and I shudder because that happens at least once a week. Notepad++ has had this saved state functionality for a while and I take advantage of it quite a bit. I think it would be great if every application did it. Most core Apple applications can resume after reboot.
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    > The user isn't forced to use it so much as it just works. In the context of forced updates, one would be forced to use it (or deal with recovery of what they were doing on their own). > Loss of power, system hangs, and program lockups come to mind as situations where it would be nice. Absolutely. But in these cases, it's acting as a way from recovering from a system exception. The few times that I've recently had a system unexpectedly restart (pulled plug on a laptop with a dead battery, for instance), things like saved browser sessions were great. I just don't like it as the mitigation of negative effects of a system-enforced reboot.
    - cptskippy 10y ago
      > In the context of forced updates I was speaking more in general and less in that context. > I just don't like it as the mitigation of negative effects of a system-enforced reboot. I don't either but I don't consider it all bad. Honestly the session resuming capability of Android and iOS is a great selling point and one that's sorely missed on desktop operating systems. Apple has done a great job bringing it to their core apps but how widely available is it beyond that? In a way Microsoft's policy of forced updates might expedite the spread of this feature. Putting my conspiracy hat on, Microsoft was and still sort of is pushing everyone towards UWP which promotes this sort of application design at the core. Maybe this is how they force everyone to it.

teh_klev 10y ago

> You're implying that the reboots occur at random without notification. They do not. Well actually......twice in the past seven days I had updates installed during my "work hours" and it still went ahead and did the 20 minute reboot warning thing during the same specified work hours in the same day.

cptskippy 10y ago
That's curious. I just checked and all of my machines have the reboot during off hours option turned on. I don't recall turning it on explicitly but it's entirely possible that I did, I'm usually not that thorough though.

khedoros1 10y ago

> Personally that sounds like heaven. It sounds like heaven to have the capability. It sounds like hell to be forced to use it just because the computer's doing something you didn't ask it to.

cptskippy 10y ago
The user isn't forced to use it so much as it just works. The feature itself is nice in for many reasons beyond the operating system rebooting after updates. Loss of power, system hangs, and program lockups come to mind as situations where it would be nice. I think about my browser not restoring tabs after crashing and I shudder because that happens at least once a week. Notepad++ has had this saved state functionality for a while and I take advantage of it quite a bit. I think it would be great if every application did it. Most core Apple applications can resume after reboot.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  > The user isn't forced to use it so much as it just works. In the context of forced updates, one would be forced to use it (or deal with recovery of what they were doing on their own). > Loss of power, system hangs, and program lockups come to mind as situations where it would be nice. Absolutely. But in these cases, it's acting as a way from recovering from a system exception. The few times that I've recently had a system unexpectedly restart (pulled plug on a laptop with a dead battery, for instance), things like saved browser sessions were great. I just don't like it as the mitigation of negative effects of a system-enforced reboot.
  - cptskippy 10y ago
    > In the context of forced updates I was speaking more in general and less in that context. > I just don't like it as the mitigation of negative effects of a system-enforced reboot. I don't either but I don't consider it all bad. Honestly the session resuming capability of Android and iOS is a great selling point and one that's sorely missed on desktop operating systems. Apple has done a great job bringing it to their core apps but how widely available is it beyond that? In a way Microsoft's policy of forced updates might expedite the spread of this feature. Putting my conspiracy hat on, Microsoft was and still sort of is pushing everyone towards UWP which promotes this sort of application design at the core. Maybe this is how they force everyone to it.