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According to the article 150 people die / trillionWh due to wind power. According to wikipedia 269 birds die / trillionWh due to wind power. https://en.wikipedi

by szemet 10y ago

According to the article 150 people die / trillionWh due to wind power. According to wikipedia 269 birds die / trillionWh due to wind power. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_power#Birds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_wind_p... So the death rate for birds is nearly the same that for people? Seems strange. We can protect clueless birds better from the turbines, than the intelligent and educated working people up there??? Or something is wrong with either of the estimations...

Tharre 10y ago
You should actually read the wikipedia article. The 269 birds / TWh number stems from the lower estimation that between 20,000 and 573,000 birds per year are killed from wind turbines in the US.
- bjelkeman-again 10y ago
  A tangent. If we worry about bird deaths there are more important factors to consider. https://www.withouthotair.com/c10/page_64.shtml https://www.withouthotair.com/c10/page_64.shtml
ekun 10y ago
I assume that the human deaths are related to the toxicity involved with mining rare earth metals which are part of the magnets in the turbines.
- szemet 10y ago
  Then they have to estimate how big is the market effect of the turbines on mining. It is very very hard, wonder can it be done well enough... For example: It may even happen (logically possible at least) that stopping building turbines brings down the price but not the demand (others will buy it anyway), and the net effect will be that due to lower prices miners close safer but more expensive mines and reopens cheaper but more dangerous mines. Once, I've read an estimation where they even calculated deaths due to iron mining, into wind energy deaths!!! They simply added the deaths that may occur mining the needed amount of iron.... Big big mistake, according to what I wrote earlier. Wing turbines hardly have that direct market effect on iron miners life. And because that study (I can't find it now) was sponsored by nuclear power organizations - guess the mistake was intentional - so it was not a "mistake" more like a disgusting ethical crime...
szemet 10y ago
Here they calculate deaths due to maintanence: and it is around 0.02 death / Million MWh (= trillion), which is far far far from 150 deaths. So there may be some kind of iron mining fallacy here to, that I mentioned in my earlier comment... http://dailysignal.com/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/ http://dailysignal.com/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangero...

by szemet 10y ago

Tharre 10y ago

You should actually read the wikipedia article. The 269 birds / TWh number stems from the lower estimation that between 20,000 and 573,000 birds per year are killed from wind turbines in the US.

bjelkeman-again 10y ago
A tangent. If we worry about bird deaths there are more important factors to consider. https://www.withouthotair.com/c10/page_64.shtml https://www.withouthotair.com/c10/page_64.shtml

ekun 10y ago

I assume that the human deaths are related to the toxicity involved with mining rare earth metals which are part of the magnets in the turbines.

szemet 10y ago
Then they have to estimate how big is the market effect of the turbines on mining. It is very very hard, wonder can it be done well enough... For example: It may even happen (logically possible at least) that stopping building turbines brings down the price but not the demand (others will buy it anyway), and the net effect will be that due to lower prices miners close safer but more expensive mines and reopens cheaper but more dangerous mines. Once, I've read an estimation where they even calculated deaths due to iron mining, into wind energy deaths!!! They simply added the deaths that may occur mining the needed amount of iron.... Big big mistake, according to what I wrote earlier. Wing turbines hardly have that direct market effect on iron miners life. And because that study (I can't find it now) was sponsored by nuclear power organizations - guess the mistake was intentional - so it was not a "mistake" more like a disgusting ethical crime...

szemet 10y ago

Here they calculate deaths due to maintanence: and it is around 0.02 death / Million MWh (= trillion), which is far far far from 150 deaths. So there may be some kind of iron mining fallacy here to, that I mentioned in my earlier comment... http://dailysignal.com/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangerous-than-coal-or-oil/ http://dailysignal.com/2010/06/26/wind-power-is-more-dangero...