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No offense but that seems like a rather narrow mindset. Following that logic, why don't you just toss your trash on the street? Or steal every time you get a ch

No offense but that seems like a rather narrow mindset. Following that logic, why don't you just toss your trash on the street? Or steal every time you get a chance? Or be a jerk to everyone you meet? Some people have the "luxury" of lazing about at home but that kind of lifestyle is not sustainable for society at large. Expecting someone else to carry your weight just because you don't want to is rather childish.

EliRivers 10y ago
There's nothing remotely narrow about it as a mindset. That doesn't even make any sense. I didn't present a mindset. I think you didn't consider what you meant by that; it's just a stock phrase people say when other people think differently. The OP said he wanted to do something that wouldn't work if everyone did it. But he's not everyone. If he did it, it would work, and he said that's what he wanted to do. He wants to do something that will work. So why not do it? Since it will work. Expecting someone else to carry your weight just because you don't want to is rather childish. Boo hoo, cry me a river. So what? If you're the kind of person who doesn't want to be seen as childish, then there's your motivation for not mooching around at home all day, but the OP does want to mooch around at home all day, so why not do it?
- neurotrace 10y ago
  Definition of mindset: "the established set of attitudes held by someone." So you're saying that this: "So why don't you? I get that if everyone did that, it wouldn't work, but you aren't everyone. You're just you." doesn't tell me anything about your mindset? You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right? It could work if OP is willing to be a mooch on society, yes, but that's not the kind of thinking anyone should be condoning. To take it to an extreme, you could say "if you're the kind of person who doesn't want to go to prison, then there's your motivation for not murdering people, but OP does want to murder people, so why not do it?" The logic is the same. You're right though. If you want to be a non-contributing member of society and act like a child, that's completely your prerogative but it's an absolutely childish, selfish, and narrow mindset to have.
  - EliRivers 10y ago
    "You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right?" Didn't say that. You have taken a question, and assumed that I'm advocating something. This is, long story short, incompetency on your part. If you don't like that I'm pointing this out, so something about it. Screaming at me won't do anything. You need to improve your thinking. It does tell you something about my mindset. It tells you I am capable of understanding that other people think differently, and I am asking why someone thinks the way they do. I'm not saying they're right; I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm not assuming that if someone explores a view, they agree with it. That is extremely childish, literally. Young children who have not developed a theory of mind do this, as do you. For someone throwing around the word "childish", you have a remarkable lack of self-awareness. This tells you one thing only about my mindset; that it's wide enough to embrace different views, and ask people why they don't consider alternative options for themselves based on these different views. I DISAGREE with staying home and doing nothing, living off welfare. Amazing. I DISAGREE with that, yet you believed I completely AGREED with it because your thinking is so primitive. You drew exactly the wrong conclusion about my mindset. I see this frequently; anyone capable of entertaining ideas other than yours is narrow minded. Labelling someone dismissively is much easier than having to actually expand your own thinking. Grow up; start thinking. Oh, feel your anger. How dare a line of text on a screen be so mean about you. Why not take this opportunity to actually improve yourself, rather than having a hissy fit?
    - neurotrace 10y ago
      This was your very first comment: >"So why don't you? I get that if everyone did that, it wouldn't work, but you aren't everyone. You're just you." I fail to see how "You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right?" misrepresents that statement at all. >"I DISAGREE with staying home and doing nothing, living off welfare. Amazing. I DISAGREE with that, yet you believed I completely AGREED with it because your thinking is so primitive." And where in the world did you ever imply that you disagreed with that? Everything you've said so far advocated for this position for at least OP. If you wanted to have a discussion about what's right or wrong about this situation as it pertains to other people, if not society at large, then maybe you should have done that instead of your whole "[b]oo hoo, cry me a river" line. If you're so capable of understanding other peoples way of thinking then perhaps you could have understood why I would not catch on to your supposed Devil's Advocate position. You don't know a thing about me.

EliRivers 10y ago

There's nothing remotely narrow about it as a mindset. That doesn't even make any sense. I didn't present a mindset. I think you didn't consider what you meant by that; it's just a stock phrase people say when other people think differently. The OP said he wanted to do something that wouldn't work if everyone did it. But he's not everyone. If he did it, it would work, and he said that's what he wanted to do. He wants to do something that will work. So why not do it? Since it will work. Expecting someone else to carry your weight just because you don't want to is rather childish. Boo hoo, cry me a river. So what? If you're the kind of person who doesn't want to be seen as childish, then there's your motivation for not mooching around at home all day, but the OP does want to mooch around at home all day, so why not do it?

neurotrace 10y ago
Definition of mindset: "the established set of attitudes held by someone." So you're saying that this: "So why don't you? I get that if everyone did that, it wouldn't work, but you aren't everyone. You're just you." doesn't tell me anything about your mindset? You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right? It could work if OP is willing to be a mooch on society, yes, but that's not the kind of thinking anyone should be condoning. To take it to an extreme, you could say "if you're the kind of person who doesn't want to go to prison, then there's your motivation for not murdering people, but OP does want to murder people, so why not do it?" The logic is the same. You're right though. If you want to be a non-contributing member of society and act like a child, that's completely your prerogative but it's an absolutely childish, selfish, and narrow mindset to have.
- EliRivers 10y ago
  "You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right?" Didn't say that. You have taken a question, and assumed that I'm advocating something. This is, long story short, incompetency on your part. If you don't like that I'm pointing this out, so something about it. Screaming at me won't do anything. You need to improve your thinking. It does tell you something about my mindset. It tells you I am capable of understanding that other people think differently, and I am asking why someone thinks the way they do. I'm not saying they're right; I'm not saying they're wrong. I'm not assuming that if someone explores a view, they agree with it. That is extremely childish, literally. Young children who have not developed a theory of mind do this, as do you. For someone throwing around the word "childish", you have a remarkable lack of self-awareness. This tells you one thing only about my mindset; that it's wide enough to embrace different views, and ask people why they don't consider alternative options for themselves based on these different views. I DISAGREE with staying home and doing nothing, living off welfare. Amazing. I DISAGREE with that, yet you believed I completely AGREED with it because your thinking is so primitive. You drew exactly the wrong conclusion about my mindset. I see this frequently; anyone capable of entertaining ideas other than yours is narrow minded. Labelling someone dismissively is much easier than having to actually expand your own thinking. Grow up; start thinking. Oh, feel your anger. How dare a line of text on a screen be so mean about you. Why not take this opportunity to actually improve yourself, rather than having a hissy fit?
  - neurotrace 10y ago
    This was your very first comment: >"So why don't you? I get that if everyone did that, it wouldn't work, but you aren't everyone. You're just you." I fail to see how "You're telling me that it's okay to stay at home and be lazy because, why not, it's just you right?" misrepresents that statement at all. >"I DISAGREE with staying home and doing nothing, living off welfare. Amazing. I DISAGREE with that, yet you believed I completely AGREED with it because your thinking is so primitive." And where in the world did you ever imply that you disagreed with that? Everything you've said so far advocated for this position for at least OP. If you wanted to have a discussion about what's right or wrong about this situation as it pertains to other people, if not society at large, then maybe you should have done that instead of your whole "[b]oo hoo, cry me a river" line. If you're so capable of understanding other peoples way of thinking then perhaps you could have understood why I would not catch on to your supposed Devil's Advocate position. You don't know a thing about me.