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> What difference does that make? • It's more packages I need to download. Doubly annoying because 95% of the packages are just "thin wrapper around foo, becau

by creshal 10y ago

> What difference does that make? • It's more packages I need to download. Doubly annoying because 95% of the packages are just "thin wrapper around foo, because we're too hipster to use libraries directly like peasants". • It installs system-wide services I have to disable/mask just so other programs don't mistakenly use them because they think I run KDE and they have to integrate into it. • Oh wait, I can't disable some of these, because Krita itself needs them and now I need to figure out how to make them play nice with my desktop aaaaaarggghhhh

cash3wz 10y ago
I agree with you for point 2 & 3, I also hated installing KDE apps for this exact reason. But I can't agree on the first one. I have not checked what these exact thin wrappers are, but most of the time thin wrappers are really useful for testing and switching to another library without being tangled in the old one. It pretty much follow the "D" (Dependency inversion principle) in the S.O.L.I.D. principles: "Depend upon Abstractions. Do not depend upon concretions.”. Again, I have not checked the KDE libs you talk about, so I'm assuming this is what these wrappers are used for. (Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_inversion_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_inversion_principle & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLID_(object-oriented_design) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLID_(object-oriented_design) )
- witty_username 10y ago
  I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(software) is one such example.
lmm 10y ago
> It's more packages I need to download. Doubly annoying because 95% of the packages are just "thin wrapper around foo, because we're too hipster to use libraries directly like peasants". "Number of packages" is not a very meaningful metric. The combined filesize isn't that large (not by the standards of an image editor anyway), and under any modern package manager installing a package with dependencies is no harder than installing one without. > It installs system-wide services I have to disable/mask just so other programs don't mistakenly use them because they think I run KDE and they have to integrate into it. Really? KDE tends to be a well-behaved crossplatform citizen IME (unlike Gnome) and not rely on anything system-wide. (There was some horribly ill-advised semantic nonsense in KDE 4, but I don't think it ever affected Krita).

by creshal 10y ago

cash3wz 10y ago

I agree with you for point 2 & 3, I also hated installing KDE apps for this exact reason. But I can't agree on the first one. I have not checked what these exact thin wrappers are, but most of the time thin wrappers are really useful for testing and switching to another library without being tangled in the old one. It pretty much follow the "D" (Dependency inversion principle) in the S.O.L.I.D. principles: "Depend upon Abstractions. Do not depend upon concretions.”. Again, I have not checked the KDE libs you talk about, so I'm assuming this is what these wrappers are used for. (Source : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_inversion_principle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dependency_inversion_principle & https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLID_(object-oriented_design) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOLID_(object-oriented_design) )

witty_username 10y ago
I think https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(software) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonon_(software) is one such example.

lmm 10y ago

> It's more packages I need to download. Doubly annoying because 95% of the packages are just "thin wrapper around foo, because we're too hipster to use libraries directly like peasants". "Number of packages" is not a very meaningful metric. The combined filesize isn't that large (not by the standards of an image editor anyway), and under any modern package manager installing a package with dependencies is no harder than installing one without. > It installs system-wide services I have to disable/mask just so other programs don't mistakenly use them because they think I run KDE and they have to integrate into it. Really? KDE tends to be a well-behaved crossplatform citizen IME (unlike Gnome) and not rely on anything system-wide. (There was some horribly ill-advised semantic nonsense in KDE 4, but I don't think it ever affected Krita).