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well i can see those replying to you completely ignore the amount of money involved in diagnosing such issues. it is similar to handing out handicap placards, t

well i can see those replying to you completely ignore the amount of money involved in diagnosing such issues. it is similar to handing out handicap placards, there is so much money to be had from various programs that its profitable for both hospital and even the patients. worse the system discourages not giving patients the designation they want because doctors are routinely subject to surveys that must come back positive, by the very patients they serve this is not to say there are not people with mental disorders but the vagueness of some disorders leads to a lot of abuse and in some cases its because people figure they don't have to deal with it, life in general, its not their fault, its far easier to take that declaration of disorder and put the blame there and not change lifestyle, job, or habits.

contingencies 10y ago
Thanks for contributing to the discussion instead of attacking my (apparently much misinterpreted) statement. There is a systemic problem with the bureaucracy around health in many countries, and western countries have diagnosed huge amounts of mental 'disorders' from children to adults in the past few decades. There is certainly a profit motive. However, there is also a reality that in an increasingly urbanized/automated/electronic communication based society, maintaining meaningful human relationships, a sense of self-worth and the will to often meaningless employment is clearly becoming gradually more and more difficult for many people. This is what I refer to when I suggest that the number of so-called mentally ill is perhaps only indicative of a problem of society. I think, in fact, that the people who respond to this reality with despondent depressive demotivation and feelings of helplessness, paranoia and anxiety are actually extremely rational. Perhaps more rational than the majority.
- slfnflctd 10y ago
  > mental 'disorders' The DSM has certainly done its share of damage, I have to say. I think we'd agree on that. I'm not even sure it's done more good than harm. You keep coming back to this being a problem with our social structure, and honestly I do suspect it's probably the biggest factor. This is why I support Basic Income (with a non-ludicrous rollout, and plenty of balancing along the way).

contingencies 10y ago

Thanks for contributing to the discussion instead of attacking my (apparently much misinterpreted) statement. There is a systemic problem with the bureaucracy around health in many countries, and western countries have diagnosed huge amounts of mental 'disorders' from children to adults in the past few decades. There is certainly a profit motive. However, there is also a reality that in an increasingly urbanized/automated/electronic communication based society, maintaining meaningful human relationships, a sense of self-worth and the will to often meaningless employment is clearly becoming gradually more and more difficult for many people. This is what I refer to when I suggest that the number of so-called mentally ill is perhaps only indicative of a problem of society. I think, in fact, that the people who respond to this reality with despondent depressive demotivation and feelings of helplessness, paranoia and anxiety are actually extremely rational. Perhaps more rational than the majority.

slfnflctd 10y ago
> mental 'disorders' The DSM has certainly done its share of damage, I have to say. I think we'd agree on that. I'm not even sure it's done more good than harm. You keep coming back to this being a problem with our social structure, and honestly I do suspect it's probably the biggest factor. This is why I support Basic Income (with a non-ludicrous rollout, and plenty of balancing along the way).