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Would you rather have an internet where every website has a design like an article from Wikipedia? Google is probably in their right to highlight pages using AM

by pk22 10y ago

Would you rather have an internet where every website has a design like an article from Wikipedia? Google is probably in their right to highlight pages using AMP (it's their search engine) but probably unfair.

mark_edward 10y ago
Oh God yes please. So many sites would actually be readable. This is how you get things like Readability getting popular
x1798DE 10y ago
It would be amazing if every website were designed like Wikipedia. With the exception of MediaViewer, Wikipedia is one of the best-designed websites out there. It's light, content-prominent, progressively enhanced, HTTPS-only. Even their mobile site is pretty good (though basically all mobile experiences are bad nowadays). What exactly is wrong with Wikipedia's design?
- NoGravitas 10y ago
  Wikipedia's mobile site is fantastic, IMO. I really wish all mobile sites were like Wikipedia's. The pain of browsing the web on mobile would go away completely.
  - x1798DE 10y ago
    I think it's mostly OK. A lot of my problems with mobile would be alleviated if I could get a browser to reflow text on demand. It used to be you could set your zoom level, double tap and the page would reflow to the new zoom level. This doesn't seem possible now, so I'm always scrolling side to side if I want to be zoomed in a bit more. I have a few other minor problems about how Wikipedia's mobile page handles without Javascript enabled, but one big thing is that there's a minimum zoom level set. I can zoom in, but I can't zoom out, which means if I want more text per line, there's nothing to be done. This again feeds in to the lack of reflow in mobile browsers. I have no idea why this feature went away, but it completely ruined the mobile web for me.
    - NoGravitas 10y ago
      Mobile Firefox does this fine. JumpGo does it, too, which means that it's certainly still possible in Android System WebView.
      - x1798DE 10y ago
        I use mobile firefox - how do you get it to reflow? I would love that feature if I knew how to activate it.
        lelandbatey 10y ago
        Similarly, I use mobile FireFox and would LOVE to know how to reflow text. That was my all-time favorite feature in any phone browser I've ever used, but the last browser I had access to with auto text reflow was the Silk browser on an original Kindle Fire. How can I make this happen on mobile FireFox?
        NoGravitas 10y ago
        My mistake. I thought it did support it, but apparently not anymore.
  - sidarape 10y ago
    I find it laggy when browsing to section anchors or more generally to big pages. Other than that, you're right, the mobile site is nice.
- pk22 10y ago
  Maybe I am in the minority here, but I like to enjoy design, the placement of the content, the choice of fonts and custom article designs for featured contents, etc. My point is that efforts should be focused on optimizing the speed but still maintaining the richness and individuality of the Web.
FT_intern 10y ago
not every site has SEO as its main traffic source

by pk22 10y ago

mark_edward 10y ago

Oh God yes please. So many sites would actually be readable. This is how you get things like Readability getting popular

x1798DE 10y ago

It would be amazing if every website were designed like Wikipedia. With the exception of MediaViewer, Wikipedia is one of the best-designed websites out there. It's light, content-prominent, progressively enhanced, HTTPS-only. Even their mobile site is pretty good (though basically all mobile experiences are bad nowadays). What exactly is wrong with Wikipedia's design?

NoGravitas 10y ago
Wikipedia's mobile site is fantastic, IMO. I really wish all mobile sites were like Wikipedia's. The pain of browsing the web on mobile would go away completely.
- x1798DE 10y ago
  I think it's mostly OK. A lot of my problems with mobile would be alleviated if I could get a browser to reflow text on demand. It used to be you could set your zoom level, double tap and the page would reflow to the new zoom level. This doesn't seem possible now, so I'm always scrolling side to side if I want to be zoomed in a bit more. I have a few other minor problems about how Wikipedia's mobile page handles without Javascript enabled, but one big thing is that there's a minimum zoom level set. I can zoom in, but I can't zoom out, which means if I want more text per line, there's nothing to be done. This again feeds in to the lack of reflow in mobile browsers. I have no idea why this feature went away, but it completely ruined the mobile web for me.
  - NoGravitas 10y ago
    Mobile Firefox does this fine. JumpGo does it, too, which means that it's certainly still possible in Android System WebView.
    - x1798DE 10y ago
      I use mobile firefox - how do you get it to reflow? I would love that feature if I knew how to activate it.
      - lelandbatey 10y ago
        Similarly, I use mobile FireFox and would LOVE to know how to reflow text. That was my all-time favorite feature in any phone browser I've ever used, but the last browser I had access to with auto text reflow was the Silk browser on an original Kindle Fire. How can I make this happen on mobile FireFox?
      - NoGravitas 10y ago
        My mistake. I thought it did support it, but apparently not anymore.
- sidarape 10y ago
  I find it laggy when browsing to section anchors or more generally to big pages. Other than that, you're right, the mobile site is nice.
pk22 10y ago
Maybe I am in the minority here, but I like to enjoy design, the placement of the content, the choice of fonts and custom article designs for featured contents, etc. My point is that efforts should be focused on optimizing the speed but still maintaining the richness and individuality of the Web.

FT_intern 10y ago

not every site has SEO as its main traffic source